Mr. Clemency
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wrote on 19 Dec 2024, 12:53 last edited by
Man, how is Hunter going to paint so many pieces? Or is he selling prints now? Making money on the volume rather than margin?
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wrote on 19 Dec 2024, 13:06 last edited by
@Jolly said in Mr. Clemency:
Does anybody think Biden is actually reviewing any of these cases?
I think these were decided as a class rather than individually. People convicted of non-violent offenses who were granted home confinement during Covid back when half the countries prisoners were testing positive. That program had its own requirements (non-violent, older or more at risk to COVID, etc) which they decided to trust. So you get a few cases like these.
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wrote on 19 Dec 2024, 15:34 last edited by
By the way all these 1500 were released from prison in 2020 by Trump.
Just sayin’
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It’s true they didn’t review the individual cases when they decided to grant clemency to all the folks on home confinement and that was disastrous in certain cases. To me the most notorious is the Pennsylvania judge who sent kids to private prisons for money.
But I’m not going to call them out for lying about only releasing non-violent offenders. This woman was only convicted of insurance fraud after all. It would be interesting to know why they didn’t charge or didn’t win the murder charges.
wrote on 19 Dec 2024, 16:12 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Mr. Clemency:
It’s true they didn’t review the individual cases when they decided to grant clemency to all the folks on home confinement
Absolutely no excuse for that!!!!!!
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wrote on 21 Dec 2024, 00:47 last edited by
[Biden Weighs Commuting Sentences of Death Row Inmates](Biden Weighs Commuting Sentences of Death Row Inmates)
President Biden is considering commuting the sentences of most, if not all, of the 40 men on the federal government’s death row, people familiar with the matter said, a move that would frustrate President-elect Donald Trump’s ability to resume the rapid pace of executions that marked his first term.
A broad coalition of religious and civil-rights groups has been pressing Biden to take the step, and the effort gained momentum earlier this month after Pope Francis, in his weekly address, prayed for the commutation of America’s condemned inmates. If their death sentences were commuted, the prisoners, all convicted of murder, would serve life without parole. Biden, a devout Catholic, spoke with Francis on Thursday and is scheduled to meet with him at the Vatican next month, the White House said.
A decision from the president could come by Christmas, some of the people said. A principal question is whether the president should issue a blanket commutation of all the condemned men, or whether death sentences should remain for the most heinous convicts, these people said.
A White House spokesman said that no final decision had been made.
Attorney General Merrick Garland, who oversees federal prisons, has recommended that Biden commute all but a handful of the sentences, the people familiar with the matter said, excepting a few terrorism and hate-crimes cases. The Justice Department had no immediate comment.
Possible exceptions could include Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, convicted in the 2013 Boston Marathon bombing that killed three and wounded more than 250 others, Robert Bowers, who killed 11 people in the 2018 attack on the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh, and Dylann Roof, who in 2015 killed nine at the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, S.C.
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wrote on 21 Dec 2024, 01:45 last edited by
You can condone millions of abortions without batting an eye, yet worry about 40 murderers, rapists and thieves.
His Catholicism is puzzling...
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wrote on 21 Dec 2024, 02:40 last edited by
This would bother me far less than granting clemency to Michael Conahan.
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[Biden Weighs Commuting Sentences of Death Row Inmates](Biden Weighs Commuting Sentences of Death Row Inmates)
President Biden is considering commuting the sentences of most, if not all, of the 40 men on the federal government’s death row, people familiar with the matter said, a move that would frustrate President-elect Donald Trump’s ability to resume the rapid pace of executions that marked his first term.
A broad coalition of religious and civil-rights groups has been pressing Biden to take the step, and the effort gained momentum earlier this month after Pope Francis, in his weekly address, prayed for the commutation of America’s condemned inmates. If their death sentences were commuted, the prisoners, all convicted of murder, would serve life without parole. Biden, a devout Catholic, spoke with Francis on Thursday and is scheduled to meet with him at the Vatican next month, the White House said.
A decision from the president could come by Christmas, some of the people said. A principal question is whether the president should issue a blanket commutation of all the condemned men, or whether death sentences should remain for the most heinous convicts, these people said.
A White House spokesman said that no final decision had been made.
Attorney General Merrick Garland, who oversees federal prisons, has recommended that Biden commute all but a handful of the sentences, the people familiar with the matter said, excepting a few terrorism and hate-crimes cases. The Justice Department had no immediate comment.
Possible exceptions could include Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, convicted in the 2013 Boston Marathon bombing that killed three and wounded more than 250 others, Robert Bowers, who killed 11 people in the 2018 attack on the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh, and Dylann Roof, who in 2015 killed nine at the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, S.C.
wrote on 22 Dec 2024, 01:19 last edited by@George-K said in Mr. Clemency:
If their death sentences were commuted, the prisoners, all convicted of murder, would serve life without parole
I dont have a big problem with this. The death penalty does not reduce crime, and while I think some people deserve it, it often takes decades or longer for any death sentence to be one. Life in prison is a pretty severe punishment.
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@George-K said in Mr. Clemency:
If their death sentences were commuted, the prisoners, all convicted of murder, would serve life without parole
I dont have a big problem with this. The death penalty does not reduce crime, and while I think some people deserve it, it often takes decades or longer for any death sentence to be one. Life in prison is a pretty severe punishment.
wrote on 22 Dec 2024, 01:27 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in Mr. Clemency:
I dont have a big problem with this. The death penalty does not reduce crime, and while I think some people deserve it, it often takes decades or longer for any death sentence to be one. Life in prison is a pretty severe punishment.
I don't disagree.
Except...
It's a matter of law. These people were sentenced to death in a legal process. To change it carte-blanche without chaining the law undermines the validity of the courts.
Want to eliminate the death penalty? Fine.
Eliminate the death penalty, but don't play games like this.
I've commented, years ago, about Hernando Williams who raped and murdered the wife of one of my colleagues. I shed no tears and felt no remorse when he met his maker.
Look him up.
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wrote on 22 Dec 2024, 01:28 last edited by
Also...I can understand (but not necessarily agree with) the desire to commute a death sentence.
It should be done on an individual, not a carte blanche basis.
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@taiwan_girl said in Mr. Clemency:
I dont have a big problem with this. The death penalty does not reduce crime, and while I think some people deserve it, it often takes decades or longer for any death sentence to be one. Life in prison is a pretty severe punishment.
I don't disagree.
Except...
It's a matter of law. These people were sentenced to death in a legal process. To change it carte-blanche without chaining the law undermines the validity of the courts.
Want to eliminate the death penalty? Fine.
Eliminate the death penalty, but don't play games like this.
I've commented, years ago, about Hernando Williams who raped and murdered the wife of one of my colleagues. I shed no tears and felt no remorse when he met his maker.
Look him up.
wrote on 22 Dec 2024, 01:55 last edited by@George-K said in Mr. Clemency:
It's a matter of law. These people were sentenced to death in a legal process. To change it carte-blanche without chaining the law undermines the validity of the courts.
Agree. Pardons overall should be eliminated.
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@George-K said in Mr. Clemency:
If their death sentences were commuted, the prisoners, all convicted of murder, would serve life without parole
I dont have a big problem with this. The death penalty does not reduce crime, and while I think some people deserve it, it often takes decades or longer for any death sentence to be one. Life in prison is a pretty severe punishment.
wrote on 22 Dec 2024, 01:55 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in Mr. Clemency:
The death penalty does not reduce crime,
Try commiting a crime after you're dead.
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@George-K said in Mr. Clemency:
It's a matter of law. These people were sentenced to death in a legal process. To change it carte-blanche without chaining the law undermines the validity of the courts.
Agree. Pardons overall should be eliminated.
wrote on 22 Dec 2024, 01:56 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in Mr. Clemency:
Pardons overall should be eliminated.
Constitutional amendment.
Good luck.
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Also...I can understand (but not necessarily agree with) the desire to commute a death sentence.
It should be done on an individual, not a carte blanche basis.
wrote on 22 Dec 2024, 03:54 last edited by Mik@George-K said in Mr. Clemency:
Also...I can understand (but not necessarily agree with) the desire to commute a death sentence.
It should be done on an individual, not a carte blanche basis.
This. It’s just circumventing rather than adhering to the law. And I’m a death penalty opponent.
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@George-K said in Mr. Clemency:
Also...I can understand (but not necessarily agree with) the desire to commute a death sentence.
It should be done on an individual, not a carte blanche basis.
This. It’s just circumventing rather than adhering to the law. And I’m a death penalty opponent.
wrote on 22 Dec 2024, 12:34 last edited by@Mik said in Mr. Clemency:
just circumventing rather than adhering to the law.
A long-standing tradition in the last two Democratic administrations. I"m not surprised, not even disappointed.
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@taiwan_girl said in Mr. Clemency:
Pardons overall should be eliminated.
Constitutional amendment.
Good luck.
wrote on 23 Dec 2024, 01:55 last edited by Renauda@George-K said in Mr. Clemency:
@taiwan_girl said in Mr. Clemency:
Pardons overall should be eliminated.
Constitutional amendment.
Good luck
A hand me down remnant of royal privilege from the much maligned right of kings era.
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wrote on 23 Dec 2024, 14:29 last edited by
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wrote on 23 Dec 2024, 14:41 last edited by George K
"But guided by my conscience and my experience as a public defender, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Vice President, and now President, I am more convinced than ever that we must stop the use of the death penalty at the federal level. In good conscience, I cannot stand back and let a new administration resume executions that I halted."
Among those receiving the holiday cheer is Thomas Sanders, who in 2010 kidnapped and then shot 12-year-Lexis Roberts four times and cut her throat in Louisiana — days after the girl watched as Sanders murdered her mother on a road trip near the Grand Canyon.
Christmas also came early for Anthony Battle, who murdered an Atlanta prison guard with a hammer in 1994 while serving a life sentence for raping and murdering his wife, a US Marine, in 1987 at Camp Lejeune, NC.
Jorge Avila-Torrez sexually assaulted and stabbed to death two girls — Laura Hobbs, 8, and Krystal Tobias, 9 — who had been riding their bicycles in their neighborhood in a suburb north of Chicago in 2005.
Four years later, he strangled naval officer Amanda Snell, 20, inside her barrack in Arlington, Va.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violent_Crime_Control_and_Law_Enforcement_Act
Guess who authored the Senate version of this bill.
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wrote on 23 Dec 2024, 15:45 last edited by
Jesus. He’s not the president anyway. But it gives you a more complete window into what we might have expected from another Democratic administration.