A Letter on Justice and Open Debate
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wrote on 13 Jul 2020, 02:28 last edited by
Yeah. James Lindsey. I preordered his book.
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wrote on 15 Jul 2020, 17:25 last edited by
I listened to Klein's podcast about this. He discussed it with Yascha Mounk, who was on the free speech side of the debate. It really did come down to Ezra just saying that while he understands why free speech is important, trans people's feelings have to be taken into account and if free speech can hurt them, then free speech needs to be reconsidered. If asked to reflect on that trade-off, he would just dig deeper into how important the feelings of trans people are, and how they face legitimate danger every day, because people want to murder them.
It's clear that those sorts of arguments can be used eternally by those who have an interest, based on the power dynamics as they see them, in shutting down free speech. If it's not trans folk it'll be some other group. It does not appear to matter how large the group is.
One thing Klein and Mounk agreed on was that the White Fragility book was bad. Klein thought it made some good points though. They mentioned something that I've noticed, too. That "white supremacists" share common beliefs with the ideas in that book - that white people are different and privileged. It's just that one group feels pride about it, and the other group feels shame.
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wrote on 15 Jul 2020, 17:40 last edited by
I’m surprised Klein conceded that much about the book.
Look for McWhorter’s review in the Atlantic.
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wrote on 4 Aug 2020, 22:05 last edited by Horace 8 Apr 2020, 22:06
Yglesias had McWhorter on his podcast today. Good discussion. Oh, the cognitive dissonance that must be managed by high status progressives when they listen to a guy like McWhorter.
Just kidding, I know they'd never listen to a guy like McWhorter.
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wrote on 5 Aug 2020, 00:34 last edited by
Seek out McWhorter’s last visit to Glen Loury’s podcast, maybe a week ago. (He’s on regularly)
How did Yglesias react to him?
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wrote on 5 Aug 2020, 00:59 last edited by
They never disagreed much. Yglesias is attempting to publicly embrace being not-totally-woke. He commented a couple times in the interview that the stuff they were discussing would seem heretical to many of his friends. I think like a lot of people on the left who are capable of doing some thinking, he thinks the direction is good and justifies a ton of disingenuousness in messaging to that end. But he's smart enough to know how absurd some of it is getting and has chosen not to consider all the opposition evil.
McWhorter enjoys a privilege of being taken seriously thinking what he thinks and saying what he says. Identical thoughts and words from a person with the wrong skin color would not make it onto Yglesias' show. (Of course.)
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wrote on 5 Aug 2020, 02:05 last edited by
What’s the name of the podcast?
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wrote on 5 Aug 2020, 02:50 last edited by
It's a Vox podcast called The Weeds.
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wrote on 5 Aug 2020, 02:57 last edited by
Thanks
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wrote on 5 Aug 2020, 15:28 last edited by
Listened to the first 50m or so this morning on my walk.
My first thought was Yglesias really has a voice for blogging....
Also McWhorter is good at changing his tone and style for his audience. He comes off differently with Loury.
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wrote on 13 Nov 2020, 19:20 last edited by
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wrote on 13 Nov 2020, 19:31 last edited by
Not too surprising. I wonder to what extent the left will separate itself from the far left in the coming months and year.
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wrote on 13 Nov 2020, 19:51 last edited by
Don't know if it can.
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wrote on 13 Nov 2020, 21:21 last edited by
What do you think the odds are that he’s going to work in the Biden administration?
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wrote on 14 Nov 2020, 17:07 last edited by
I suspect he ran face-first into Ezra's idealogue side.
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Not too surprising. I wonder to what extent the left will separate itself from the far left in the coming months and year.
wrote on 14 Nov 2020, 17:17 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in A Letter on Justice and Open Debate:
Not too surprising. I wonder to what extent the left will separate itself from the far left in the coming months and year.
We might find this is what Biden really meant when he talked about a divided country.
