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The Hegseth "incident."

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  • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

    @Horace Part of the problem is that most government appointed positions like the one we are talking about force the leader to be very short term focused because they know they are gone after just a few years and really have no accountability for their actions.

    "Oh, I did this and it resulted in this immediate positive impact" Even though in five years it is a major problem and the initial thing never should have been done.

    Good CEO's have the ability to think longer term. (Yes, they are also watching the stock price on a day to day basis........ LOL)

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    @taiwan_girl said in The Hegseth "incident.":

    @Horace Part of the problem is that most government appointed positions like the one we are talking about force the leader to be very short term focused because they know they are gone after just a few years and really have no accountability for their actions.

    "Oh, I did this and it resulted in this immediate positive impact" Even though in five years it is a major problem and the initial thing never should have been done.

    Good CEO's have the ability to think longer term. (Yes, they are also watching the stock price on a day to day basis........ LOL)

    The U.S. military is not a corporation. Any sane corporation would have cut its expenses and fed Taiwan to the Chinese Dragon a long time ago.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

      @George-K said in The Hegseth "incident.":

      @jon-nyc said in The Hegseth "incident.":(in electoral votes)...

      Not a valid comparator over time as the number of total EVs has increased.

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      #64

      @jon-nyc said in The Hegseth "incident.":

      @George-K said in The Hegseth "incident.":

      @jon-nyc said in The Hegseth "incident.":(in electoral votes)...

      Not a valid comparator over time as the number of total EVs has increased.

      Are you saying that Biden‘s margin of victory in 2020 should be discounted?

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

        @George-K said in The Hegseth "incident.":

        @jon-nyc said in The Hegseth "incident.":(in electoral votes)...

        Not a valid comparator over time as the number of total EVs has increased.

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        #65

        @jon-nyc said in The Hegseth "incident.":

        Not a valid comparator over time as the number of total EVs has increased.

        Since 1912, the number of electors has risen by 7.

        Screenshot 2024-11-25 at 12.09.10 PM.png

        Still a greater margin than Bush (twice), Carter, and Biden.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • jon-nycJ Online
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          jon-nyc
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          #66

          In that list he’s 20th out of 26. Still 76th percentile.

          Only non-witches get due process.

          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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          • George KG George K

            @jon-nyc said in The Hegseth "incident.":

            @George-K said in The Hegseth "incident.":

            @jon-nyc said in The Hegseth "incident.":(in electoral votes)...

            Not a valid comparator over time as the number of total EVs has increased.

            Are you saying that Biden‘s margin of victory in 2020 should be discounted?

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            jon-nyc
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            #67

            @George-K said in The Hegseth "incident.":

            @jon-nyc said in The Hegseth "incident.":

            @George-K said in The Hegseth "incident.":

            @jon-nyc said in The Hegseth "incident.":(in electoral votes)...

            Not a valid comparator over time as the number of total EVs has increased.

            Are you saying that Biden‘s margin of victory in 2020 should be discounted?

            Seems like a whattaboutism fail.

            I never mentioned anything about ‘discounts’. I merely used his 75% performance as counter evidence that his opponent party ‘collapsed’. That just doesn’t apply in such an historically narrow victory. I wouldn’t say the GOP collapsed in 2020 either. Or the Dems in 2000, etc.

            Only non-witches get due process.

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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              @LuFins-Dad said in The Hegseth "incident.":

              Was the Trump campaign the biggest comeback ever? Or was it one of the biggest collapses by the Dems ever?

              Neither.

              Recall Nixon not only lost in 60, he then lost statewide election in CA. Everybody, including Nixon himself, wrote off his future political career.

              As for the Dems, they suffered a clear loss but put it in historical perspective- Trump’s win was the 44th biggest electoral college victory out of the 60 we’ve had. That’s like 75th percentile.

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              @jon-nyc said in The Hegseth "incident.":

              Recall Nixon not only lost in 60, he then lost statewide election in CA. Everybody, including Nixon himself, wrote off his future political career.

              He did pretty good in the 1972 election, too.

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                jon-nyc
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                #69

                If(!) this checks out, it sounds like there are lots of incidents. The Koch bothers even pushed him out of a charity they run. He seems to have a problem with his cups as well as with women.

                Bad combo for a SecDef. They feed on each other.

                (Again, if...)

                Only non-witches get due process.

                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  If(!) this checks out, it sounds like there are lots of incidents. The Koch bothers even pushed him out of a charity they run. He seems to have a problem with his cups as well as with women.

                  Bad combo for a SecDef. They feed on each other.

                  (Again, if...)

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                  @jon-nyc Detailed article on this. If even half is true, not very good at all.

                  https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/pete-hegseths-secret-history

                  I still think he unqualified, but this additional stuff will make me think that he will soon come out with a statement, "although untrue, it is becoming a distraction to the great work ahead by President Trump, and therefore, I am withdrawing from the nomination."

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                    He's a horndawg, no doubt about it.

                    Makes Jon look like an amateur...

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      I'm sure Collins and Teh Murk will also vote "no."

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        #73

                        I hope Elbridge Colby replaces him.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                        • George KG Offline
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                          George K
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                          #74

                          Who was Sec Def when this occurred? It certainly wasn't Hegseth, Fauxahontas.

                          Best response:

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            jon-nyc
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                            #75

                            ???

                            Is he confusing the FTC with the CFPB?

                            Only non-witches get due process.

                            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                              Re her post, the reasons he shouldn’t be SecDef have nothing to do with the DoD, and everything to do with Pete Hegseth.

                              Only non-witches get due process.

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                              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                ???

                                Is he confusing the FTC with the CFPB?

                                George KG Offline
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                                @jon-nyc said in The Hegseth "incident.":

                                ???

                                Is he confusing the FTC with the CFPB?

                                Yeah, it's still funny.

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                  Re her post, the reasons he shouldn’t be SecDef have nothing to do with the DoD, and everything to do with Pete Hegseth.

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                                  @jon-nyc said in The Hegseth "incident.":

                                  Re her post, the reasons he shouldn’t be SecDef have nothing to do with the DoD, and everything to do with Pete Hegseth.

                                  No, she says that because of unproven allegations, that's disqualifying.

                                  As was posted above, Tower might have been a womanizer, but we would have gotten someone who could run the DoD. He would have been competent.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    Oh - I also listened to the first part of Megyn Kelly's interview with him.

                                    About the NDA - he claims that her attorneys approached him at a time when his career was taking off and they threatened to expose this affair unless he paid up.

                                    There was a lot of "Jesus is my savior" thrown in too. I gave up after about 15 minutes.

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      jon-nyc
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                                      I wasn’t summarizing her post, I was disagreeing with it.

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

                                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                        Maybe they should put him in charge of Veteran Affairs.

                                        So many punchlines, so little time.

                                        I was only joking

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                                          In 2023, over 29,000 active-duty troops were sexually assaulted

                                          One about every 20 minutes, about 12% of active duty women each year

                                          At that rate, it would take about 8 years to assault them all.

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