Work from home - forever.
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This apparently only extends to Social Security workers through their union. I doubt it amounts to much more than a speedbump. It is difficult to imagine what onerous processes require 42,000 workers to administer this program that is largely done online. 72 million people receive SS benefits.
The American Federation of Government Employees, a union representing 42,000 Social Security Administration workers, reached an agreement with the agency last week that will protect telework until 2029 in an updated contract, according to a message to its members viewed by Bloomberg.
@Mik said in Work from home - forever.:
This apparently only extends to Social Security workers through their union. I doubt it amounts to much more than a speedbump. It is difficult to imagine what onerous processes require 42,000 workers to administer this program that is largely done online. 72 million people receive SS benefits.
The American Federation of Government Employees, a union representing 42,000 Social Security Administration workers, reached an agreement with the agency last week that will protect telework until 2029 in an updated contract, according to a message to its members viewed by Bloomberg.
I had to go in-person to the local office. Especially in Louisiana (and very few other states), the website and 1-800 Social Security folks simply do not know how to handle WEP and GPO.
Secondly, I had an employer make a reporting mistake on reported earnings. That wasn't fixed until I sat down with my paperwork in front of a human.
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Availability to the taxpayers they serve, transparency, accountability, and security. None of these are being served by having these people work from home. They must be in an office in a Federal facility. Preferably a new one in Florida, since this is SSA and Florida is where the seniors live. And not one of the sexy places in Florida, I’m thinking Ocala or even The Villages.
The Brad
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No President can pass an EO that can’t be bypassed by another…
@LuFins-Dad said in Work from home - forever.:
No President can pass an EO that can’t be bypassed by another…
And once he is king he won't answer to congress either, just ask Whoopie.
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Availability to the taxpayers they serve, transparency, accountability, and security. None of these are being served by having these people work from home. They must be in an office in a Federal facility. Preferably a new one in Florida, since this is SSA and Florida is where the seniors live. And not one of the sexy places in Florida, I’m thinking Ocala or even The Villages.
@LuFins-Dad said in Work from home - forever.:
Availability to the taxpayers they serve, transparency, accountability, and security. None of these are being served by having these people work from home. They must be in an office in a Federal facility. Preferably a new one in Florida, since this is SSA and Florida is where the seniors live. And not one of the sexy places in Florida, I’m thinking Ocala or even The Villages.
I was waiting for this response.
I don't really agree with you. These aren't elected officials, these are civilians hired to perform tasks for the federal government. If the tasks they need to perform do not include requirements that are only found in a federal office building, or do not require access by the public, then it doesn't really bother me where the person is located as long as the job is getting done.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Work from home - forever.:
No President can pass an EO that can’t be bypassed by another…
And once he is king he won't answer to congress either, just ask Whoopie.
@Copper said in Work from home - forever.:
@LuFins-Dad said in Work from home - forever.:
No President can pass an EO that can’t be bypassed by another…
And once he is king he won't answer to congress either, just ask
WhoopieKash Patel.NNTTM
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@LuFins-Dad said in Work from home - forever.:
Availability to the taxpayers they serve, transparency, accountability, and security. None of these are being served by having these people work from home. They must be in an office in a Federal facility. Preferably a new one in Florida, since this is SSA and Florida is where the seniors live. And not one of the sexy places in Florida, I’m thinking Ocala or even The Villages.
I was waiting for this response.
I don't really agree with you. These aren't elected officials, these are civilians hired to perform tasks for the federal government. If the tasks they need to perform do not include requirements that are only found in a federal office building, or do not require access by the public, then it doesn't really bother me where the person is located as long as the job is getting done.
@89th said in Work from home - forever.:
@LuFins-Dad said in Work from home - forever.:
Availability to the taxpayers they serve, transparency, accountability, and security. None of these are being served by having these people work from home. They must be in an office in a Federal facility. Preferably a new one in Florida, since this is SSA and Florida is where the seniors live. And not one of the sexy places in Florida, I’m thinking Ocala or even The Villages.
I was waiting for this response.
I don't really agree with you. These aren't elected officials, these are civilians hired to perform tasks for the federal government. If the tasks they need to perform do not include requirements that are only found in a federal office building, or do not require access by the public, then it doesn't really bother me where the person is located as long as the job is getting done.
Says the guy who works remotely for the government.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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I dont get it? Another dumb move by President Biden.
There was a push (I thought by him, but probably mistaken) to have government workers go back to the office. Mainly because of the lowering taxes without workers in town, the decreased restaurant, store, etc. revenues.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Work from home - forever.:
Availability to the taxpayers they serve, transparency, accountability, and security. None of these are being served by having these people work from home. They must be in an office in a Federal facility. Preferably a new one in Florida, since this is SSA and Florida is where the seniors live. And not one of the sexy places in Florida, I’m thinking Ocala or even The Villages.
I was waiting for this response.
I don't really agree with you. These aren't elected officials, these are civilians hired to perform tasks for the federal government. If the tasks they need to perform do not include requirements that are only found in a federal office building, or do not require access by the public, then it doesn't really bother me where the person is located as long as the job is getting done.
@89th said in Work from home - forever.:
@LuFins-Dad said in Work from home - forever.:
Availability to the taxpayers they serve, transparency, accountability, and security. None of these are being served by having these people work from home. They must be in an office in a Federal facility. Preferably a new one in Florida, since this is SSA and Florida is where the seniors live. And not one of the sexy places in Florida, I’m thinking Ocala or even The Villages.
I was waiting for this response.
I don't really agree with you. These aren't elected officials, these are civilians hired to perform tasks for the federal government. If the tasks they need to perform do not include requirements that are only found in a federal office building, or do not require access by the public, then it doesn't really bother me where the person is located as long as the job is getting done.
I think it's a mistake to treat government workers differently from private sector people, either for better or worse. The idea that they're 'public servants working tirelessly for the common good' is as bogus as that they're all constantly on the make. I'm sure there are good and bad people on both sides.
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@89th said in Work from home - forever.:
@LuFins-Dad said in Work from home - forever.:
Availability to the taxpayers they serve, transparency, accountability, and security. None of these are being served by having these people work from home. They must be in an office in a Federal facility. Preferably a new one in Florida, since this is SSA and Florida is where the seniors live. And not one of the sexy places in Florida, I’m thinking Ocala or even The Villages.
I was waiting for this response.
I don't really agree with you. These aren't elected officials, these are civilians hired to perform tasks for the federal government. If the tasks they need to perform do not include requirements that are only found in a federal office building, or do not require access by the public, then it doesn't really bother me where the person is located as long as the job is getting done.
Says the guy who works remotely for the government.
@jon-nyc said in Work from home - forever.:
@89th said in Work from home - forever.:
@LuFins-Dad said in Work from home - forever.:
Availability to the taxpayers they serve, transparency, accountability, and security. None of these are being served by having these people work from home. They must be in an office in a Federal facility. Preferably a new one in Florida, since this is SSA and Florida is where the seniors live. And not one of the sexy places in Florida, I’m thinking Ocala or even The Villages.
I was waiting for this response.
I don't really agree with you. These aren't elected officials, these are civilians hired to perform tasks for the federal government. If the tasks they need to perform do not include requirements that are only found in a federal office building, or do not require access by the public, then it doesn't really bother me where the person is located as long as the job is getting done.
Says the guy who works remotely for the government.
Haha fair enough. But I'm not a federal employee, although realistically my contract does "augment staff" (aka use a contractor and pay a rate instead of hiring an employee and all of the HR/benefits that come with it). Either way, I am a good example I suppose... I work in IT, I can't go into details but there is zero reason for me to be in a secure building when everything I do can be done via a remote connection.
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Send 'em back.
I could see letting them work from home maybe a day two per week, if the agency permits.
But...I didn't go into many federal agency offices, but I have been in a lot of state government agency offices. Remote work is a nightmare for management. You have enough problems with accountability, when you have the employee in the office everyday. Throw in the government union, with how hard they make it to discipline and terminate employees, and it's like trying to herd angry cats with a peach limb.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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Not sure if we are in the minority on this forum board, but I agree with Jolly on this. I always think it is better to be face to face, have the "water cooler talks", meet colleges for lunch, etc. And actually, for government people, it may be even more important as their salaries are paid from taxes at those same restaurants, stores etc,
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I just don’t want @89th to be doing whatever it is he’s doing with his Chinese girlfriend looking over his shoulder…
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I always thought the name Suk Yoo was a little suspicious...
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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Send 'em back.
I could see letting them work from home maybe a day two per week, if the agency permits.
But...I didn't go into many federal agency offices, but I have been in a lot of state government agency offices. Remote work is a nightmare for management. You have enough problems with accountability, when you have the employee in the office everyday. Throw in the government union, with how hard they make it to discipline and terminate employees, and it's like trying to herd angry cats with a peach limb.
@Jolly said in Work from home - forever.:
You have enough problems with accountability.
No, you don't. For a shitload and ever-increasing number of tasks, the "accountability" is literally both real-time and scheduled. Any manager who doesn't understand this has a skills issue.
That said, entirely depends on the job, doesn't it? LD brings up some good points about federal workers, and I tend to agree.
I think there are 3 categories, personally: jobs in which WFH is impossible, jobs in which it's possible but a bad idea, and jobs in which it's not only possible but a good idea.
The problem's in those last 2 groups. Out-of-touch managers get them confused, as do young kids who aren't yet conscientious enough.
Please love yourself.
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@Jolly said in Work from home - forever.:
You have enough problems with accountability.
No, you don't. For a shitload and ever-increasing number of tasks, the "accountability" is literally both real-time and scheduled. Any manager who doesn't understand this has a skills issue.
That said, entirely depends on the job, doesn't it? LD brings up some good points about federal workers, and I tend to agree.
I think there are 3 categories, personally: jobs in which WFH is impossible, jobs in which it's possible but a bad idea, and jobs in which it's not only possible but a good idea.
The problem's in those last 2 groups. Out-of-touch managers get them confused, as do young kids who aren't yet conscientious enough.
@Aqua-Letifer said in Work from home - forever.:
@Jolly said in Work from home - forever.:
You have enough problems with accountability.
No, you don't. For a shitload and ever-increasing number of tasks, the "accountability" is literally both real-time and scheduled. Any manager who doesn't understand this has a skills issue.
That said, entirely depends on the job, doesn't it? LD brings up some good points about federal workers, and I tend to agree.
I think there are 3 categories, personally: jobs in which WFH is impossible, jobs in which it's possible but a bad idea, and jobs in which it's not only possible but a good idea.
The problem's in those last 2 groups. Out-of-touch managers get them confused, as do young kids who aren't yet conscientious enough.
I didn't have any real problems with my team working from home. I know which ones work hard/effectively without me constantly checking in and which ones need a little "motivation".
I don't think 5 days a week WFH is a good idea for most people, but I also think that 2-3 days WFH can provide significant benefits to both employee and management.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Work from home - forever.:
@Jolly said in Work from home - forever.:
You have enough problems with accountability.
No, you don't. For a shitload and ever-increasing number of tasks, the "accountability" is literally both real-time and scheduled. Any manager who doesn't understand this has a skills issue.
That said, entirely depends on the job, doesn't it? LD brings up some good points about federal workers, and I tend to agree.
I think there are 3 categories, personally: jobs in which WFH is impossible, jobs in which it's possible but a bad idea, and jobs in which it's not only possible but a good idea.
The problem's in those last 2 groups. Out-of-touch managers get them confused, as do young kids who aren't yet conscientious enough.
I didn't have any real problems with my team working from home. I know which ones work hard/effectively without me constantly checking in and which ones need a little "motivation".
I don't think 5 days a week WFH is a good idea for most people, but I also think that 2-3 days WFH can provide significant benefits to both employee and management.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Work from home - forever.:
I don't think 5 days a week WFH is a good idea for most people,
Who's gonna decide that? You?
I ask because that's another big problem. An extrovert or more socially-minded worker's going to be right shit at working remotely. For introverts, neurodivergents, etc., many should work from home more often, not less.
And I've yet to hear anyone consider any of this when initiating a policy.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Work from home - forever.:
I don't think 5 days a week WFH is a good idea for most people,
Who's gonna decide that? You?
I ask because that's another big problem. An extrovert or more socially-minded worker's going to be right shit at working remotely. For introverts, neurodivergents, etc., many should work from home more often, not less.
And I've yet to hear anyone consider any of this when initiating a policy.
@Aqua-Letifer said in Work from home - forever.:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Work from home - forever.:
I don't think 5 days a week WFH is a good idea for most people,
Who's gonna decide that? You?
I ask because that's another big problem. An extrovert or more socially-minded worker's going to be right shit at working remotely. For introverts, neurodivergents, etc., many should work from home more often, not less.
You say that, but during Covid the one person who really struggled in my team was the introvert who was working in the UK. I ended up having video meetings pretty much everyday because I was worried about him. The extrovert would look for any excuse for a Teams call, and actually in some ways did better because when he's in the office he tends to distract both himself and everybody around him.
It gets quite complicated, and the people who write policy generally don't like complicated.
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@Jolly said in Work from home - forever.:
You have enough problems with accountability.
No, you don't. For a shitload and ever-increasing number of tasks, the "accountability" is literally both real-time and scheduled. Any manager who doesn't understand this has a skills issue.
That said, entirely depends on the job, doesn't it? LD brings up some good points about federal workers, and I tend to agree.
I think there are 3 categories, personally: jobs in which WFH is impossible, jobs in which it's possible but a bad idea, and jobs in which it's not only possible but a good idea.
The problem's in those last 2 groups. Out-of-touch managers get them confused, as do young kids who aren't yet conscientious enough.
@Aqua-Letifer said in Work from home - forever.:
@Jolly said in Work from home - forever.:
You have enough problems with accountability.
No, you don't. For a shitload and ever-increasing number of tasks, the "accountability" is literally both real-time and scheduled. Any manager who doesn't understand this has a skills issue.
That said, entirely depends on the job, doesn't it? LD brings up some good points about federal workers, and I tend to agree.
I think there are 3 categories, personally: jobs in which WFH is impossible, jobs in which it's possible but a bad idea, and jobs in which it's not only possible but a good idea.
The problem's in those last 2 groups. Out-of-touch managers get them confused, as do young kids who aren't yet conscientious enough.
Yeah, my personal view on private employees working from home, it’s far more complicated.
For many, it can be a godsend, and there are employees that will excel at it. There are others that will not do well in that situation and are best off in the office. There are some that will be best suited for a hybrid role, and others that need constancy and routine that need one or the other, but not both… and those same employees that need constancy and routine are not going to be well served by others working in a hybrid role, as that will still interfere with their routine. I don’t think there’s going to be an entirely satisfactory solution for everyone…
Except for Federal employees. Put them all in an office. One where they have to walk past pissed off tax payers flipping them off the whole way.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Work from home - forever.:
@Jolly said in Work from home - forever.:
You have enough problems with accountability.
No, you don't. For a shitload and ever-increasing number of tasks, the "accountability" is literally both real-time and scheduled. Any manager who doesn't understand this has a skills issue.
That said, entirely depends on the job, doesn't it? LD brings up some good points about federal workers, and I tend to agree.
I think there are 3 categories, personally: jobs in which WFH is impossible, jobs in which it's possible but a bad idea, and jobs in which it's not only possible but a good idea.
The problem's in those last 2 groups. Out-of-touch managers get them confused, as do young kids who aren't yet conscientious enough.
Yeah, my personal view on private employees working from home, it’s far more complicated.
For many, it can be a godsend, and there are employees that will excel at it. There are others that will not do well in that situation and are best off in the office. There are some that will be best suited for a hybrid role, and others that need constancy and routine that need one or the other, but not both… and those same employees that need constancy and routine are not going to be well served by others working in a hybrid role, as that will still interfere with their routine. I don’t think there’s going to be an entirely satisfactory solution for everyone…
Except for Federal employees. Put them all in an office. One where they have to walk past pissed off tax payers flipping them off the whole way.
@LuFins-Dad said in Work from home - forever.:
One where they have to walk past pissed off tax payers flipping them off the whole way.
Then you would have to pay for counselling.
