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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    https://jonathanturley.org/2024/11/21/report-the-officer-who-killed-ashli-babbitt-had-a-long-history-of-disciplinary-and-training-problems/

    When protesters rushed to the House chamber, police barricaded the chamber’s doors; Capitol Police were on both sides, with officers standing directly behind Babbitt. Babbitt and others began to force their way through, and Babbitt started to climb through a broken window. That is when Byrd killed her.

    Byrd described how he was “trapped” with other officers as “the chants got louder” with what “sounded like hundreds of people outside of that door.” He said he yelled for all of the protesters to stop: “I tried to wait as long as I could. I hoped and prayed no one tried to enter through those doors. But their failure to comply required me to take the appropriate action to save the lives of members of Congress and myself and my fellow officers.”

    Byrd could just as well have hit the officers behind Babbitt, who was shot while struggling to squeeze through the window.

    Of all of the lines from Byrd, this one stands out: “I could not fully see her hands or what was in the backpack or what the intentions are.” So, Byrd admitted he did not see a weapon or an immediate threat from Babbitt beyond her trying to enter through the window. Nevertheless, Byrd boasted, “I know that day I saved countless lives.” He ignored that Babbitt was the one person killed during the riot. (Two protesters died of natural causes and a third from an amphetamine overdose; one police officer died the next day from natural causes, and four officers have committed suicide since then.) No other officers facing similar threats shot anyone in any other part of the Capitol, even those who were attacked by rioters armed with clubs or other objects.

    The new report confirms prior accounts that Byrd had prior disciplinary and training issues. According to Just the News, they included “a failed shotgun qualification test, a failed FBI background check for a weapon’s purchase, a 33-day suspension for a lost weapon and referral to Maryland state prosecutors for firing his gun at a stolen car fleeing his neighborhood.”

    Given this history and the shooting of Babbitt, Rep. Barry Loudermilk, R-Ga., the chair of the House Administration Oversight Subcommittee investigation, wrote to express concern over Byrd’s promotion to captain. Those incidents included Byrd firing at a car and allegedly misrepresenting the incident in claiming that “he fired at a vehicle trying to strike him when the evidence fellow officers found at the scene indicated he shot at the vehicle after it had already passed him and no longer posed a threat.” The letter states the Office of Professional Responsibility found that the evidence did not support his claim and “OPR concluded that the evidence suggests Byrd ‘discharged his service weapon at the vans after they passed him by.’”

    The Loudermilk Letter:

    https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2024-11/11.20.2024 Letter From Rep. Barry Loudermilk to USCP Chief of Police Manger_0.pdf

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      Around she fucked. Find out she did.

      Only non-witches get due process.

      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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      • JollyJ Offline
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        Bad shooting.

        With no weapon in sight, Byrd came damn close to shooting a fellow officer. Total lack of awareness.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          Around she fucked. Find out she did.

          George KG Offline
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          George K
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          @jon-nyc said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

          Around she fucked. Find out she did.

          Would you say the same about the Capitol Police officer standing behind her had he been killed?

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • George KG Offline
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            George K
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            #5

            Ammo for the lawsuit. Byrd was supremely unqualified to be carrying a firearm, let alone be a Capitol Police officer.

            • A 2004 incident where Byrd, who was off duty, fired his weapon at a stolen vehicle as it was fleeing his residential neighborhood;
            • A 2015 "conduct unbecoming an officer" complaint filed by a fellow officer after Byrd, again off duty, confronted him while the officer was working at a high school football game in an incident with racial overtones;
            • A 33-day suspension in 2019 after Byrd left his service weapon unattended in a public Capitol Hill bathroom;
            • A failure to pass a routine background check shortly after Jan. 6 when attempting to purchase a shotgun for home protection, after the USCP worked to provide Byrd a department-issued shotgun instead, he failed the training; and
            • Three further referrals to the Capitol Police Office of Professional Responsibility for which records are reportedly missing.

            The man was (pardon the expression) a loose cannon.

            ETA: "Missing records..."

            Snort.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              Around she fucked. Find out she did.

              89th8 Online
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              89th
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              @jon-nyc said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

              Around she fucked. Find out she did.

              Yup.

              Imagine for a moment that in February 2025, a BLM mob hops the white house fence and a BLM chick (with her closest 100 friends) were trying to break down the front door where Trump is inside, and behind the glass door there were cops pointing guns saying "don't come in here we will shoot"...and then the BLM chick breaks down the door starts to go in with her 100 closest friends behind her.

              Good shooting. It's a shame she caused it. But FAFO, for sure.

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              • George KG Offline
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                George K
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                Imagine a police officer, at least five times a failure and disciplined, shooting into a crowd when he saw no weapon, with police officers in the crowd, killing one of them, having never given a warning.

                Just for the sake of completeness.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • 89th8 89th

                  @jon-nyc said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

                  Around she fucked. Find out she did.

                  Yup.

                  Imagine for a moment that in February 2025, a BLM mob hops the white house fence and a BLM chick (with her closest 100 friends) were trying to break down the front door where Trump is inside, and behind the glass door there were cops pointing guns saying "don't come in here we will shoot"...and then the BLM chick breaks down the door starts to go in with her 100 closest friends behind her.

                  Good shooting. It's a shame she caused it. But FAFO, for sure.

                  JollyJ Offline
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                  @89th said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

                  @jon-nyc said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

                  Around she fucked. Find out she did.

                  Yup.

                  Imagine for a moment that in February 2025, a BLM mob hops the white house fence and a BLM chick (with her closest 100 friends) were trying to break down the front door where Trump is inside, and behind the glass door there were cops pointing guns saying "don't come in here we will shoot"...and then the BLM chick breaks down the door starts to go in with her 100 closest friends behind her.

                  Good shooting. It's a shame she caused it. But FAFO, for sure.

                  I think the shooting was marginal, as to whether it's justified to shoot an unarmed person.

                  But I'm sorry, you're either supremely ignorant or fucking stupid when it comes to firearms. Byrd carried a Glock 22. Typical penetration of the 180g HP service round is 18+ inches. IOW, a hole going in and a bigger hole going out.

                  The only reason that dumb fuck didn't kill somebody else was the Grace of God.

                  BTW, you DO KNOW capitol police had been ordered not to use lethal force, correct?

                  https://us.glock.com/en/Pistols/G22

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • George KG Offline
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                    George K
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                    Also, I'm not defending Babbitt's behavior or actions. Not by a long (ahem) shot.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • George KG George K

                      Imagine a police officer, at least five times a failure and disciplined, shooting into a crowd when he saw no weapon, with police officers in the crowd, killing one of them, having never given a warning.

                      Just for the sake of completeness.

                      jon-nycJ Offline
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                      @George-K

                      Any ol’ random crowd? Or a violent one breaking into a restricted area of the capitol?

                      Only non-witches get due process.

                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                      • JollyJ Jolly

                        @89th said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

                        @jon-nyc said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

                        Around she fucked. Find out she did.

                        Yup.

                        Imagine for a moment that in February 2025, a BLM mob hops the white house fence and a BLM chick (with her closest 100 friends) were trying to break down the front door where Trump is inside, and behind the glass door there were cops pointing guns saying "don't come in here we will shoot"...and then the BLM chick breaks down the door starts to go in with her 100 closest friends behind her.

                        Good shooting. It's a shame she caused it. But FAFO, for sure.

                        I think the shooting was marginal, as to whether it's justified to shoot an unarmed person.

                        But I'm sorry, you're either supremely ignorant or fucking stupid when it comes to firearms. Byrd carried a Glock 22. Typical penetration of the 180g HP service round is 18+ inches. IOW, a hole going in and a bigger hole going out.

                        The only reason that dumb fuck didn't kill somebody else was the Grace of God.

                        BTW, you DO KNOW capitol police had been ordered not to use lethal force, correct?

                        https://us.glock.com/en/Pistols/G22

                        George KG Offline
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                        @Jolly said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

                        BTW, you DO KNOW capitol police had been ordered not to use lethal force, correct?

                        Really? I was unaware. Can you point me to that?

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                          @George-K

                          Any ol’ random crowd? Or a violent one breaking into a restricted area of the capitol?

                          George KG Offline
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                          @jon-nyc said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

                          Any ol’ random crowd? Or a violent one breaking into a restricted area of the capitol?

                          With cops in back of the person being shot.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            jon-nyc
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                            Seems like a non-answer.

                            Only non-witches get due process.

                            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                              Seems like a non-answer.

                              George KG Offline
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                              @jon-nyc said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

                              Seems like a non-answer.

                              I suppose you can say that. Byrd did not aim at any person specifically, he fired into the crowd. Whether he knew there were other USCP behind Babbitt is open to speculation.

                              But there were.

                              And that, along with his rather profound history of questionable behavior. is why I call it reckless.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                It worked. It stopped them.

                                Only non-witches get due process.

                                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                  Yup, stopped that breach. It worked.

                                  And not a random crowd.

                                  Watch the video... as the crowd is breaking through security glass with chairs and flag poles, security on the other side, people yelling "he has a gun!!".... but yes, let's breach through the barrier, what's the worse that can happen?

                                  Link to video

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                                    Just a random crowd, like you might see around an ice cream truck at the park on a hot day.

                                    Only non-witches get due process.

                                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                    • JollyJ Jolly

                                      @89th said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

                                      @jon-nyc said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

                                      Around she fucked. Find out she did.

                                      Yup.

                                      Imagine for a moment that in February 2025, a BLM mob hops the white house fence and a BLM chick (with her closest 100 friends) were trying to break down the front door where Trump is inside, and behind the glass door there were cops pointing guns saying "don't come in here we will shoot"...and then the BLM chick breaks down the door starts to go in with her 100 closest friends behind her.

                                      Good shooting. It's a shame she caused it. But FAFO, for sure.

                                      I think the shooting was marginal, as to whether it's justified to shoot an unarmed person.

                                      But I'm sorry, you're either supremely ignorant or fucking stupid when it comes to firearms. Byrd carried a Glock 22. Typical penetration of the 180g HP service round is 18+ inches. IOW, a hole going in and a bigger hole going out.

                                      The only reason that dumb fuck didn't kill somebody else was the Grace of God.

                                      BTW, you DO KNOW capitol police had been ordered not to use lethal force, correct?

                                      https://us.glock.com/en/Pistols/G22

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                                      @Jolly said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

                                      The only reason that dumb fuck didn't kill somebody else was the Grace of God.

                                      He also shot when she was up above the others going through the breached window. Yes the bullet could've ricocheted, but in general the visual of "he shot into a random crowd" is not accurate.

                                      Here's my very scientific visual of why it wasn't just a "shot into the crowd".

                                      42ecf280-add6-4c61-a0f3-e8990bf8dc7e-image.png

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                                      • George KG George K

                                        @jon-nyc said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

                                        Seems like a non-answer.

                                        I suppose you can say that. Byrd did not aim at any person specifically, he fired into the crowd. Whether he knew there were other USCP behind Babbitt is open to speculation.

                                        But there were.

                                        And that, along with his rather profound history of questionable behavior. is why I call it reckless.

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                                        @George-K said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

                                        @jon-nyc said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

                                        Seems like a non-answer.

                                        I suppose you can say that. Byrd did not aim at any person specifically, he fired into the crowd. Whether he knew there were other USCP behind Babbitt is open to speculation.

                                        But there were.

                                        And that, along with his rather profound history of questionable behavior. is why I call it reckless.

                                        We should keep in mind that the Capitol police had a culture of pathetic weakness, to the extent that most of them committed suicide after having been called upon to do their jobs. It is heart breaking, but they were the worst of us.

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                        • George KG George K

                                          @jon-nyc said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

                                          Seems like a non-answer.

                                          I suppose you can say that. Byrd did not aim at any person specifically, he fired into the crowd. Whether he knew there were other USCP behind Babbitt is open to speculation.

                                          But there were.

                                          And that, along with his rather profound history of questionable behavior. is why I call it reckless.

                                          89th8 Online
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                                          @George-K said in The man who shot Ashley Babbit:

                                          I suppose you can say that. Byrd did not aim at any person specifically, he fired into the crowd.

                                          What?

                                          If that is true, then I apologize. I figured he aimed at Babbit as she breached the top of the doorway. (I'm not being sarcastic)

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