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Lichtman's 13 Keys

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  • LuFins DadL Offline
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    LuFins Dad
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    #2

    Yeah, Nate Silver was having an online argument with him. Lichtman was quite the asshole about it, and Silver kept pointing out that Lichtman was even misapplying his own keys.

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    • MikM Offline
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      Mik
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      #3

      That was my take, although I have not really read up on how he came to his conclusions.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • taiwan_girlT Offline
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        taiwan_girl
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        #4

        I saw his name come up in a lot of articles, etc. "election guru" "election psycic".

        He had his 15 minutes of fame I guess

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        • MikM Offline
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          #5

          He evidently has, or maybe had, paid subscribers who he was scrambling today to keep.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • taiwan_girlT Offline
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            taiwan_girl
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            #6

            https://www.newsweek.com/allan-lichtman-election-prediction-assessment-kamala-harris-2024-1982610

            I guess he still have a minute or two left of his "fame"

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            • LuFins DadL Offline
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              LuFins Dad
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              #7

              Idiot. He let his own desires/wishes taint his reading of his own keys. The smartest thing he could do at this point is admit as such and point to the keys still be correct despite being misread…

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              • George KG Offline
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                George K
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                #8

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • MikM Offline
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                  Mik
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                  #9

                  Any port in a storm I suppose.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • HoraceH Offline
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                    Horace
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                    #10

                    Educated white cultural conservatives have a script, and they'll follow it.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                    • George KG Offline
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                      George K
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                      #11

                      Oh...my.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • MikM Offline
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                        Mik
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                        #12

                        Hee hee. That's delicious.

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        • HoraceH Offline
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                          Horace
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                          #13

                          It’s just so perfect that a member of the tribal expert class ends up clowning themselves in their old age, and is too stupid to realize it.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                          • MikM Offline
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                            Mik
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                            #14

                            He was lucky that his keys lined up with reality a lot. But as all investments state, past performance is not a guarantee of future results. It doesn't pay to get too convinced of your own superiority. Don't get high on your own supply.

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            • HoraceH Offline
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                              Horace
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                              #15

                              He used prior results to develop his model. It’s called an overfit model and is known to be fool’s gold to anybody familiar with algorithms to predict the stock market, or with machine learning in general. Then there are the issues with the unquantifiability of many of his 13 factors. It’s absolute garbage, and the whole situation is a case in point of self styled academic experts being given absurd and unearned respect. And yes he is high on that supply, and it has turned him into a pathetic clown.

                              Education is extremely important.

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                              • MikM Offline
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                                Couldn't happen to anicer more deserving guy. He monetized his nonsense and now his subscribers are all dropping him.

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  He should've weighted some of his keys... for example, Harris got a "false" for likeability. Which is accurate. But I'd argue if you were undecided as a voter and saw Harris vs Trump in front of you... Trump is a leader, Harris is a "say what you want to hear". People want a leader.

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                                    Doctor Phibes
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                                    That guy's got the second least convincing haircut I've seen today.

                                    I was only joking

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                                    • LuFins DadL Offline
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                                      LuFins Dad
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                                      #19

                                      Both Mik and Nate Silver nailed it. Lichtman’s keys were actually correct, he just misapplied them.

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                                        LuFins Dad
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                                        • George KG Offline
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                                          George K
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                                          Screenshot 2024-11-22 at 12.59.24 PM.png

                                          Soon?

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                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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