Did anybody see Jon in line yesterday?
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@jon-nyc said in Did anybody see Jon in line yesterday?:
Ok yes we can stipulate that I’m a TDS addled librard.
Now why are Trump supporters so fat? Which way does the causal relationship run?
I actually asked you to specify the sort of correlation we're discussing. Do you have some numbers, or just anecdotal observations? I'm honestly not sure. But I am sure of your pet hatreds, and your fixation on all things considered cool or uncool by adolescents. Of course it's not surprising if you think you've uncovered a connection between them. I mean please feel free to write a paper about it, your insights might be valuable. Or if not a paper, maybe a post. Get into why you think the connection exists.
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Is there a correlation between BMI and political affiliation among whites?
Yes, some research has shown a correlation between Body Mass Index (BMI) and political affiliation among white Americans, though it’s complex and context-dependent. Studies have indicated that higher BMI is sometimes more common among white individuals who identify as politically conservative, compared to those who identify as liberal. However, these findings are nuanced and may be influenced by various cultural, economic, and geographic factors.
The relationship between BMI and political affiliation has been suggested to stem partly from lifestyle differences associated with political subcultures in the United States. For example, conservatives may be more likely to live in rural areas where obesity rates tend to be higher due to factors such as limited access to health resources, food deserts, and lifestyle differences. Liberals, in contrast, are more likely to live in urban areas where there might be greater access to health-conscious food options and fitness facilities. However, these are general trends, and individual BMI varies widely within any political group.
How about Trump supporters? They’re not necessarily conservative but they seem to skew towards obesity.
Research has indicated that, on average, Trump supporters have higher obesity rates compared to supporters of other political candidates. However, this trend is influenced by a range of factors that go beyond political preference. Demographic and geographic patterns among Trump supporters—such as a higher likelihood of living in rural or suburban areas, where obesity rates tend to be higher—contribute to this trend. Additionally, lower income levels, educational disparities, and lifestyle factors prevalent in these regions can also contribute to higher average BMIs among these groups.
This correlation does not imply that being a Trump supporter causes higher BMI, but rather that many Trump supporters come from demographics and regions where obesity is more prevalent. Individual health behaviors and resources available in these areas, like access to nutritious food and healthcare, also play a significant role in shaping these health trends.
Can you share data that has been published?
Data suggests a notable correlation between higher BMI and support for Donald Trump, particularly in states with large rural populations where obesity rates tend to be higher. A Reddit analysis found a positive correlation (r=0.717) between Trump voter proportions and higher BMI rates in U.S. states. This trend can be linked to demographic factors, as many Trump supporters reside in regions with limited access to healthy food options and fewer resources for health and fitness, commonly associated with rural and working-class areas. Additionally, Trump supporters have higher reported rates of chronic conditions like high blood pressure and joint pain, likely influenced by the age distribution among these voters, as older adults also have higher obesity rates  .
The link between BMI and political affiliation is complex and influenced by socioeconomic and geographic factors, suggesting lifestyle and environmental factors play a substantial role. This data doesn’t imply that political affiliation causes obesity but rather that many Trump supporters belong to demographics more affected by high BMI and health challenges..
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Yes it seems to come out in the numbers. You've asked others to opine about the reasons for that, but curiously you're the only one super interested in it. Maybe it's on you to establish your insightful analysis here. I'm sure we'll all love to see a minor rewording of your long-standing opinion that angry losers are drawn to Trump support. It'll be just as interesting when you say it this time, as it was when you've said it before.
I wonder what the two bell curve distributions of BMI actually look like, drawn on top of one another. You know these sorts of studies with large sample sizes can uncover meaningful correlations that, when presented graphically, seem silly to take very seriously.
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DON’T let them eat cake.
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@jon-nyc said in Did anybody see Jon in line yesterday?:
“Why are you interested in this?”
Thats the main pushback Charles Murray gets.
Well you're a real public intellectual then. Bravely forging ahead into taboo truths. This is definitely not you getting excited over anecdotal confirmation of your long standing opinion that Trump supporters are fat ugly losers. Edgy stuff.
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Here you are, jon, cleanse your palate with the fit and socio-economically successful Victor Davis Hanson, supporting Trump for 80 minutes.
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@Horace said in Did anybody see Jon in line yesterday?:
@jon-nyc said in Did anybody see Jon in line yesterday?:
“Why are you interested in this?”
Thats the main pushback Charles Murray gets.
Well you're a real public intellectual then.
You’re the only person here who claims public intellectual status. I don’t get the same pushback as Murray because of who I am, rather because my noticing unnerves so many.
Note I don’t get any - and I mean none - pushback on the actual facts. Y’all have noticed too. I get pushback for mentioning it. That makes me the problem.
DON’T let them eat cake.
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@jon-nyc said in Did anybody see Jon in line yesterday?:
@Horace said in Did anybody see Jon in line yesterday?:
@jon-nyc said in Did anybody see Jon in line yesterday?:
“Why are you interested in this?”
Thats the main pushback Charles Murray gets.
Well you're a real public intellectual then.
You’re the only person here who claims public intellectual status. I don’t get the same pushback as Murray because of who I am, rather because my noticing unnerves so many.
Note I don’t get any - and I mean none - pushback on the observation. Y’all have noticed too. I get pushback for mentioning it. That makes me the problem.
It comes out in the numbers, but your anecdotal slam dunk seems overplayed. Of more value in terms of insights were my points about what overlapping distributions with “large statistically meaningful differences” actually look like (generally not impressive), and my note about your interesting fixation with the things adolescents find cool and uncool.
Education is extremely important.
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@Horace said in Did anybody see Jon in line yesterday?:
Of more value in terms of insights were my points about what overlapping distributions with “large statistically meaningful differences” actually look like (generally not impressive),
Again, until your lying eyes actually watch footage of a Trump rally.
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@jon-nyc said in Did anybody see Jon in line yesterday?:
@Horace said in Did anybody see Jon in line yesterday?:
Of more value in terms of insights were my points about what overlapping distributions with “large statistically meaningful differences” actually look like (generally not impressive),
Again, until your lying eyes actually watch footage of a Trump rally.
There's no way that's the first Trump rally footage you've seen. It's special this time precisely because it confirms a cherished belief you have. Here's how you'd test it. Develop specific, measurable predictions, that you'll be able to test against other Trump rallies. Go find footage of other Trump rallies, at random. Watch them, and test your prediction against reality.
Science is not easy, but this is apparently an important conclusion to you, so you should do the work.
After the work is done, we can begin wondering whether rallies are a representative sample of Trump voters. Whether this matters, will depend on how you precisely formulate your predictions and conclusions. That is up to you, and I would never presume to guess at your exact wording.
As I recall, the firefighter who got murdered at Trump's rally in PA, was a fit guy. But that's just anecdata. Ashley Babbitt was fit, too. And the shaman.
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DON’T let them eat cake.
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@jon-nyc said in Did anybody see Jon in line yesterday?:
Just curious, when you find a video from a rally two weeks ago and tell me to fast forward to 10:20, who’s case do you think you’re making?
Jon, only one of us is taking this seriously. You don't have a "case", you have adolescent snickering and sneering. I gave you the video because it's of a very fat person breaking a chair at a Trump (well, Vance) town hall, and I thought you would enjoy it.
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@jon-nyc said in Did anybody see Jon in line yesterday?:
But anyway look at the fucking video. Hundreds and hundreds of people and not one of them is fit. Literally none.
That’s not a coincidence.
Trump is obese, which is why his voters can relate to him. Simple enough.
