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  • HoraceH Offline
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    Horace
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    #70

    I'm happy for the secret service that they were able to do their job this time. I will be curious to see what the letter of the law allows for charges for this would-be assassination, but for preventative measures.

    Education is extremely important.

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    • jon-nycJ Online
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      #71

      Usually people who do this don’t expect to survive so they leave behind messages that fully establish intent.

      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
      -Cormac McCarthy

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      • jon-nycJ Online
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        #72

        Though his schedule wasn’t public, it’s probably pretty easy to tell he or a family member is there based on local activity, eg the quantity of black SUV’s with government plates. I wonder if he had been in the area a while or just came in recently. If the former he could have figured out there was a high probability Trump was there even though the schedule wasn’t public.

        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
        -Cormac McCarthy

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        • taiwan_girlT Offline
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          #73

          Elon Musk chimes in:

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          (He did delete it, but as smart people here have said, "The internet is forever")

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          • jon-nycJ Online
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            jon-nyc
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            #74

            Who knew Elon Musk was a fan of Equity!

            "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
            -Cormac McCarthy

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            • George KG Offline
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              George K
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              #75

              Republicans are outraged....

              GOP seethes...

              Politico, shouldn't everyone be outraged?

              Apparently The Hill can't spell "Pounced" "Seized."

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • jon-nycJ Online
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                jon-nyc
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                #76

                Seems transparently false. If anything there’s elation about a failed (non)attempt and the expected bump in polls. It’s a news cycle victory extraordinaire.

                None will say that, but watch how they behave.

                "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                -Cormac McCarthy

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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  Seems transparently false. If anything there’s elation about a failed (non)attempt and the expected bump in polls. It’s a news cycle victory extraordinaire.

                  None will say that, but watch how they behave.

                  George KG Offline
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                  George K
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                  #77

                  @jon-nyc said in Another shooting at Trump:

                  If anything there’s elation about a failed (non)attempt and the expected bump in polls.

                  Where?

                  Show me the JOI.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • JollyJ Jolly

                    Personal comment...

                    Of all rifles to attempt a 300-500 yard shot, I would not pick an AK. They have pinned barrels and accuracy of about 3 MOA in 7.62x39 (most common caliber). That means about 9 inches at 300 yards and 15 inches at 500 yards, even with a good scope.

                    Also the 122 - 124g bullet (typical bullet weight) drops a good bit.

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                    89th8 Offline
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                    @Jolly said in Another shooting at Trump:

                    Personal comment...

                    Of all rifles to attempt a 300-500 yard shot, I would not pick an AK. They have pinned barrels and accuracy of about 3 MOA in 7.62x39 (most common caliber). That means about 9 inches at 300 yards and 15 inches at 500 yards, even with a good scope.

                    I went shooting with my BIL one winter in a large field. We shot using a 307 (Remington?) rifle, prone position, and a very well dialed in scope. Was fun to hit our targets, but I certainly learned how hard it was.

                    You’ll appreciate this, I was shooting that day with a bunch of Wisconsin farmboys (ok, in their 30s, half trained for the local SWAT team) and they were convinced I was undercover secret service since I “lived near DC”.

                    I did see one guy hit a target from 700 yards though, that was particularly cool. Even though it took quite a few tries.

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                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                      Seems transparently false. If anything there’s elation about a failed (non)attempt and the expected bump in polls. It’s a news cycle victory extraordinaire.

                      None will say that, but watch how they behave.

                      HoraceH Offline
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                      @jon-nyc said in Another shooting at Trump:

                      Seems transparently false. If anything there’s elation about a failed (non)attempt and the expected bump in polls. It’s a news cycle victory extraordinaire.

                      None will say that, but watch how they behave.

                      Sure, this is a thing that happens. Just like the Democrats were elated at Jan 6. None will say it, but watch how they act.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                        #80

                        Probably a Remington 700 chambered in .308 Win. That's mostly a very accurate combo.

                        I used to shoot with a former Marine sniper (19 confirmed kills in the Nam) that loved that combo. At 200 yards, he could call his shots on a medium size cereal box...Right bottom corner, dead center, etc.

                        If you can get some bowling pins, try those at 300. Ain't easy.

                        700 is waaay outta my league

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • HoraceH Horace

                          @jon-nyc said in Another shooting at Trump:

                          Seems transparently false. If anything there’s elation about a failed (non)attempt and the expected bump in polls. It’s a news cycle victory extraordinaire.

                          None will say that, but watch how they behave.

                          Sure, this is a thing that happens. Just like the Democrats were elated at Jan 6. None will say it, but watch how they act.

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                          @Horace said in Another shooting at Trump:

                          Just like the Democrats were elated at Jan 6. None will say it, but watch how they act.

                          The RWEC explains the new rules.

                          "Back when Nancy Pelosi’s husband was attacked with a hammer, I was informed that, if the victim of an attack had at any point been “demonized” by a political party, then that political party was responsible for what follows. Indeed, in the immediate aftermath of that ugly incident, the Washington Post recruited no fewer than three of its top writers to draw a direct line between the assault on Paul Pelosi and a series of anti-Nancy political commercials that were run in 2010 — twelve years earlier. The “years of vilification,” the Post proposed, “culminated Friday when Pelosi’s husband, Paul, was attacked with a hammer during an early-morning break-in at the couple’s home in San Francisco by a man searching for the speaker and shouting ‘Where is Nancy? Where is Nancy?’” Lest anyone misunderstand what it meant by “culminated,” the paper made sure to spell it out. “For many Democrats,” the piece concluded, “the attack on Nancy Pelosi’s husband represents the all-but-inevitable conclusion of Republicans’ increasingly violent and threatening rhetoric toward their political opponent.”

                          I suppose that if someone is a "direct threat to our democracy," however, those rules don't apply. And CNN tells us that Trump should "tone down the rhetoric."

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • MikM Offline
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                            #82

                            Apparently the Ss agent was walking the perimeter of the golf course prior to Trump going to that hole. Seems like pretty good coverage to me.

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            • 89th8 Offline
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                              Here's the hedge (I believe) the shooter snuck into at like 2am. Kudos to the SS for spotting the guy considering you can't view anything from the street (once you're behind the hedge), and it sounds like it was just the barrel of the gun sticking through the fence that gave it away. You'd think a smarter assassin would wait before giving up his location like that?

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                                This was interesting…

                                The Brad

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                                  #85

                                  I am sure Ukrainians will pay dearly for having this kook’s name and their country associated together in the same sentence:

                                  https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm29z3e5117o

                                  For Putin, Routh’s propaganda value must be like mana from heaven.

                                  Elbows up!

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                                  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                    This was interesting…

                                    HoraceH Offline
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                                    @LuFins-Dad said in Another shooting at Trump:

                                    This was interesting…

                                    Making fun of people who note that "oh, but the guy didn't even shoot". Yeah, people actually note that, as if it's an important thing to keep in mind in this case. Don't ask me how I know.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        LOL

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                                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                          So it looks like the guy never fired a shot. I wonder how much that complicates the prosecution and what he can be charged with.

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                                          jon-nyc
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                                          #89

                                          @jon-nyc said in Another shooting at Trump:

                                          So it looks like the guy never fired a shot. I wonder how much that complicates the prosecution and what he can be charged with.

                                          Feds found a note outlining a plan. They just added attempted murder charges to the gun charges previously filed.

                                          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                          -Cormac McCarthy

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