Sweden to offer ‘remigration’ checks
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wrote on 13 Sept 2024, 15:02 last edited by
The only solution to immigration problems is to figure out ways to improve economic opportunities in the source countries. The immigration conflict will always be there, but with modern travel and communication, it's much easier than it was 100+ years ago to move around.
We are a naturally tribal species. It's not wrong to want to keep your cultural (tribal/community) values and traditions and that is inherently disrupted when outside tribes flood in.
Call me racist, but it would be very weird to see Japan with a population of tall black folks speaking Swahili, or to see Columbia with a population of asian looking folks speaking Korean, or Sweden with brown-skinned Indians speaking in Hindi, or France without the white french-speaking population (oh wait..., too late?). My point being... the world has forever been tribal and only relatively recently are we seeing an influx that's mixing the pot.
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The only solution to immigration problems is to figure out ways to improve economic opportunities in the source countries. The immigration conflict will always be there, but with modern travel and communication, it's much easier than it was 100+ years ago to move around.
We are a naturally tribal species. It's not wrong to want to keep your cultural (tribal/community) values and traditions and that is inherently disrupted when outside tribes flood in.
Call me racist, but it would be very weird to see Japan with a population of tall black folks speaking Swahili, or to see Columbia with a population of asian looking folks speaking Korean, or Sweden with brown-skinned Indians speaking in Hindi, or France without the white french-speaking population (oh wait..., too late?). My point being... the world has forever been tribal and only relatively recently are we seeing an influx that's mixing the pot.
wrote on 13 Sept 2024, 15:12 last edited by@89th said in Sweden to offer ‘remigration’ checks:
My point being... the world has forever been tribal and only relatively recently are we seeing an influx that's mixing the pot.
We used to call it colonization rather than immigration. I'm still busy doing it.
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wrote on 13 Sept 2024, 15:13 last edited by
Yes and no. The United States was founded as an immigrant country. All the waves of immigration from the 18 th century, 19 th century, 20th century improved the mix. Not everyone is a mayflower descendant. Up there in minnesooota is Scandinavian immigration. Down there in jolly’s Louisiana is full of German immigration. New York got the Italians and the Jews and the Irish. So melting pots are not the problem.
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Yes and no. The United States was founded as an immigrant country. All the waves of immigration from the 18 th century, 19 th century, 20th century improved the mix. Not everyone is a mayflower descendant. Up there in minnesooota is Scandinavian immigration. Down there in jolly’s Louisiana is full of German immigration. New York got the Italians and the Jews and the Irish. So melting pots are not the problem.
wrote on 13 Sept 2024, 15:25 last edited by@bachophile said in Sweden to offer ‘remigration’ checks:
Yes and no. The United States was founded as an immigrant country. All the waves of immigration from the 18 th century, 19 th century, 20th century improved the mix. Not everyone is a mayflower descendant. Up there in minnesooota is Scandinavian immigration. Down there in jolly’s Louisiana is full of German immigration. New York got the Italians and the Jews and the Irish. So melting pots are not the problem.
I'm not sure the native population would have agreed about the benefits of the great American melting pot.
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Yes and no. The United States was founded as an immigrant country. All the waves of immigration from the 18 th century, 19 th century, 20th century improved the mix. Not everyone is a mayflower descendant. Up there in minnesooota is Scandinavian immigration. Down there in jolly’s Louisiana is full of German immigration. New York got the Italians and the Jews and the Irish. So melting pots are not the problem.
wrote on 13 Sept 2024, 17:47 last edited by@bachophile said in Sweden to offer ‘remigration’ checks:
Yes and no. The United States was founded as an immigrant country. All the waves of immigration from the 18 th century, 19 th century, 20th century improved the mix. Not everyone is a mayflower descendant. Up there in minnesooota is Scandinavian immigration. Down there in jolly’s Louisiana is full of German immigration. New York got the Italians and the Jews and the Irish. So melting pots are not the problem.
Well, almost. There are a good many German families, but if we go way back it's French, Spanish, Caribbean in South Louisiana and Scots/Irish/English in North Louisiana.
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@bachophile said in Sweden to offer ‘remigration’ checks:
Yes and no. The United States was founded as an immigrant country. All the waves of immigration from the 18 th century, 19 th century, 20th century improved the mix. Not everyone is a mayflower descendant. Up there in minnesooota is Scandinavian immigration. Down there in jolly’s Louisiana is full of German immigration. New York got the Italians and the Jews and the Irish. So melting pots are not the problem.
I'm not sure the native population would have agreed about the benefits of the great American melting pot.
wrote on 14 Sept 2024, 02:47 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Sweden to offer ‘remigration’ checks:
@bachophile said in Sweden to offer ‘remigration’ checks:
Yes and no. The United States was founded as an immigrant country. All the waves of immigration from the 18 th century, 19 th century, 20th century improved the mix. Not everyone is a mayflower descendant. Up there in minnesooota is Scandinavian immigration. Down there in jolly’s Louisiana is full of German immigration. New York got the Italians and the Jews and the Irish. So melting pots are not the problem.
I'm not sure the native population would have agreed about the benefits of the great American melting pot.
Those injuns were literal tribes already killing each other. Just another enemy fighting over the same land.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Sweden to offer ‘remigration’ checks:
@bachophile said in Sweden to offer ‘remigration’ checks:
Yes and no. The United States was founded as an immigrant country. All the waves of immigration from the 18 th century, 19 th century, 20th century improved the mix. Not everyone is a mayflower descendant. Up there in minnesooota is Scandinavian immigration. Down there in jolly’s Louisiana is full of German immigration. New York got the Italians and the Jews and the Irish. So melting pots are not the problem.
I'm not sure the native population would have agreed about the benefits of the great American melting pot.
Those injuns were literal tribes already killing each other. Just another enemy fighting over the same land.
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@bachophile said in Sweden to offer ‘remigration’ checks:
Yes and no. The United States was founded as an immigrant country. All the waves of immigration from the 18 th century, 19 th century, 20th century improved the mix. Not everyone is a mayflower descendant. Up there in minnesooota is Scandinavian immigration. Down there in jolly’s Louisiana is full of German immigration. New York got the Italians and the Jews and the Irish. So melting pots are not the problem.
I'm not sure the native population would have agreed about the benefits of the great American melting pot.
wrote on 14 Sept 2024, 12:08 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Sweden to offer ‘remigration’ checks:
@bachophile said in Sweden to offer ‘remigration’ checks:
Yes and no. The United States was founded as an immigrant country. All the waves of immigration from the 18 th century, 19 th century, 20th century improved the mix. Not everyone is a mayflower descendant. Up there in minnesooota is Scandinavian immigration. Down there in jolly’s Louisiana is full of German immigration. New York got the Italians and the Jews and the Irish. So melting pots are not the problem.
I'm not sure the native population would have agreed about the benefits of the great American melting pot.
Native population? Oh, you mean the Asian migrants that came across the Bering?
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@89th said in Sweden to offer ‘remigration’ checks:
My point being... the world has forever been tribal and only relatively recently are we seeing an influx that's mixing the pot.
We used to call it colonization rather than immigration. I'm still busy doing it.
wrote on 14 Sept 2024, 12:22 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Sweden to offer ‘remigration’ checks:
@89th said in Sweden to offer ‘remigration’ checks:
My point being... the world has forever been tribal and only relatively recently are we seeing an influx that's mixing the pot.
We used to call it colonization rather than immigration. I'm still busy doing it.
More accurately re-colonization. But keep at it. Persistence pays off.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Sweden to offer ‘remigration’ checks:
@89th said in Sweden to offer ‘remigration’ checks:
My point being... the world has forever been tribal and only relatively recently are we seeing an influx that's mixing the pot.
We used to call it colonization rather than immigration. I'm still busy doing it.
More accurately re-colonization. But keep at it. Persistence pays off.
wrote on 14 Sept 2024, 12:26 last edited by@Mik said in Sweden to offer ‘remigration’ checks:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Sweden to offer ‘remigration’ checks:
@89th said in Sweden to offer ‘remigration’ checks:
My point being... the world has forever been tribal and only relatively recently are we seeing an influx that's mixing the pot.
We used to call it colonization rather than immigration. I'm still busy doing it.
More accurately re-colonization. But keep at it. Persistence pays off.
I'm busy putting the colon into colony.