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  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

    On motives.

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    Horace
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    @jon-nyc said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:

    I think Cooper legitimately has fascist views

    The mark of a serious thinker. A fascist around every corner of the heterodox right wing media. Anyway, best not listen to anything Cooper says then, lest you catch fascism.

    Education is extremely important.

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    • RenaudaR Renauda

      @Horace

      He chose the "deaths happened" framing because in that context of the conversation he was making an attempt to emphasize Churchill's role in the cause and effect.

      So okay I watched the section on WWII in detail and took a cursory view of the other sections.

      By the time June 1941 came around the Nazis knew full well that their invasion of the USSR would entail enslavement and racial extermination of whole populations. As the German army advanced the non Jewish population was either enslaved locally or deported to forced labour camps in Germany or occupied Poland. Soviet and Baltic Jews for the most part were murdered on the spot. After the January 1942 Wannsee Conference the policy of mass deportation and extermination of European Jewry led to the construction of the infamous death camps. The racially motivated murders and deaths happened because that was Nazi policy towards what it determined were inferior and subhuman races of people.

      I believe it ridiculous and absurd to frame or link Churchill’s policy of no negotiation with the Nazi regime to the Holocaust and the war in Europe. No evidence for such even exists.

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      @Renauda said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:

      I believe it ridiculous and absurd to frame or link Churchill’s policy of no negotiation with the Nazi regime to the Holocaust and the war in Europe. No evidence for such even exists.

      Cooper admits in the discussion that he is being hyperbolic and trollish in calling Churchill the primary villain of WW2. I think the attempt to make the point is ill-advised, if his intention is to be taken seriously.

      Education is extremely important.

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        #31

        From the same poster:

        Putting aside the Hitler apologia (I know!), perhaps the most ironic part is that most people on the right would recognize this strategy of historical revisionism by selective facts and quotes to sell a narrative because we rightly mocked it when The 1619 Project came out.

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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          He's discovered that different political tribes will use motivated reasoning to reach different conclusions. What a genius. I'm happy for him that he was able to dunk on this point of Cooper's. If we only had more twitter midwits dunking on more fascists, the world would be a better place, with better, more truthy information.

          Education is extremely important.

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          • HoraceH Horace

            @Renauda said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:

            I believe it ridiculous and absurd to frame or link Churchill’s policy of no negotiation with the Nazi regime to the Holocaust and the war in Europe. No evidence for such even exists.

            Cooper admits in the discussion that he is being hyperbolic and trollish in calling Churchill the primary villain of WW2. I think the attempt to make the point is ill-advised, if his intention is to be taken seriously.

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            @Horace said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:

            @Renauda said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:

            I believe it ridiculous and absurd to frame or link Churchill’s policy of no negotiation with the Nazi regime to the Holocaust and the war in Europe. No evidence for such even exists.

            Cooper admits in the discussion that he is being hyperbolic and trollish in calling Churchill the primary villain of WW2. I think the attempt to make the point is ill-advised, if his intention is to be taken seriously.

            Yes I recall that rather lame attempt to put a caveat on whatever point he was trying to make about Churchill. Not to worry, I was unable to take his tortured and ill advised hypothesis regarding WWII the least bit seriously.

            Elbows up!

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              #34

              First rule of being a troll: Don't talk about being a troll.

              I was only joking

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                Tom-K
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                #35

                Jeez guys, Darryl Cooper is a piece of carp from Hell and it seems Tucker is his beloved brother posting this ship.

                I really used to like Tucker.

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                • Tom-KT Tom-K

                  Jeez guys, Darryl Cooper is a piece of carp from Hell and it seems Tucker is his beloved brother posting this ship.

                  I really used to like Tucker.

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                  @Tom-K said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:

                  I really used to like Tucker.

                  Stephen Green (Vodkapundit)

                  Cooper is either a loon or a fraud. Carlson said he's "the best and most honest popular historian in the United States." Is following a trail already well-trod by Candace Owens really where Tucker Carlson wants to go?

                  "Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action," Ian Fleming wrote in "Goldfinger."

                  One fawning interview with a rabid antisemite like Munther Isaac is happenstance. A second fawning interview with a Hitler apologist like Darryl Cooper is coincidence. Will Carlson go for three and force us to conclude he's conducting an enemy action??

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    #37

                    Elon deleted his endorsment.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                    • Tom-KT Tom-K

                      Jeez guys, Darryl Cooper is a piece of carp from Hell and it seems Tucker is his beloved brother posting this ship.

                      I really used to like Tucker.

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                      @Tom-K said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:

                      I really used to like Tucker.

                      That means you liked his writers when he was on Fox. He is substantially different now, and less relatable. I still like most of his stuff directionally, but he can get ridiculous.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                        #39

                        Cooper's wikipedia page seems to have been created just today. I am not too sure he was on anybody's radar before the Tucker interview.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                          Didn’t he hire some of his writers? Then again they probably had non-competes too without the $ to fight fox.

                          Only non-witches get due process.

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                            Cooper explains himself in detail here on why Churchill was the chief villain of WWII, Community Notes is having none of it.

                            Only non-witches get due process.

                            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                              Cooper did an Ask Me Anything on his site in 2022, long before he went viral. He had been doing historical podcasts for several years and had some fans. Interestingly lots of left-leaning people, who were surprised to learn his politics leaned right. From this I glean that his politics are not obvious from the content he's put out before the Tucker interview. All of these hot takes about him being a Nazi or Fascist are based on what he said in the Tucker piece.

                              https://web.archive.org/web/20240904021417/https://subscribe.martyrmade.com/p/ask-me-anything-728-81/comments

                              Education is extremely important.

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                              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                Cooper explains himself in detail here on why Churchill was the chief villain of WWII, Community Notes is having none of it.

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                                @jon-nyc said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:

                                Cooper explains himself in detail here on why Churchill was the chief villain of WWII, Community Notes is having none of it.

                                Seems like more of a discussion than a dunk-fest. An at times nit-picky discussion at that.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                • HoraceH Horace

                                  Cooper's wikipedia page seems to have been created just today. I am not too sure he was on anybody's radar before the Tucker interview.

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                                  @Horace said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:

                                  Cooper's wikipedia page seems to have been created just today. I am not too sure he was on anybody's radar before the Tucker interview.

                                  I looked yesterday as I had no idea who he was, and there was no Wiki page.

                                  I guess his 15 minutes starts now.

                                  I was only joking

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                                    @Doctor-Phibes

                                    I looked yesterday as well with the same result. Nada.

                                    That FuCa….cutting 21st century internet titans from whole cloth.

                                    The man is a social media wizard!

                                    Elbows up!

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                                    • RenaudaR Renauda

                                      @Doctor-Phibes

                                      I looked yesterday as well with the same result. Nada.

                                      That FuCa….cutting 21st century internet titans from whole cloth.

                                      The man is a social media wizard!

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                                      @Renauda said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:

                                      @Doctor-Phibes

                                      That FuCa….cutting 21st century internet titans from whole cloth.

                                      The man is a social media wizard!

                                      Social necromancy perhaps

                                      I was only joking

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                                        Renauda
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                                        #47

                                        😂

                                        Elbows up!

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                                          Doctor Phibes
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                                          I nearly said necrophilia

                                          I was only joking

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