Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism
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@jon-nyc said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
@Horace said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
@Horace said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
It's on youtube. I guess I'll listen, to see how manic the paraphrase in that tweet is.
He doesn't seem to deny any facts about the holocaust.
The deaths just happened. They succeeded so quickly in their war aims they ended up putting too many people too fast in the camps and next thing ya know a few million are dead. Shit happens! War ain’t beanbag.
He chose the "deaths happened" framing because in that context of the conversation he was making an attempt to emphasize Churchill's role in the cause and effect. In other contexts I am sure he would get more explicit about the exterminations in the death camps. The first episode of his podcast, which is about Israel/Palestine, begins with a graphic depiction of the pogroms in Europe which eventually gave rise to Zionism. He does this to humanize a particular side and attempt to describe their perspective and motivations. I assume he will do the same for the Palestinian side, at which point he will surely run afoul of something or other that will make him disgusting again. Personally, from what I've heard of him, I appreciate him and find him interesting.
I should note that he didn't build a compelling case for viewing Hitler or Churchill differently. I never got a clear idea of how he thinks the war and the holocaust would have been different if Churchill had made "better" decisions.
He chose the "deaths happened" framing because in that context of the conversation he was making an attempt to emphasize Churchill's role in the cause and effect.
So okay I watched the section on WWII in detail and took a cursory view of the other sections.
By the time June 1941 came around the Nazis knew full well that their invasion of the USSR would entail enslavement and racial extermination of whole populations. As the German army advanced the non Jewish population was either enslaved locally or deported to forced labour camps in Germany or occupied Poland. Soviet and Baltic Jews for the most part were murdered on the spot. After the January 1942 Wannsee Conference the policy of mass deportation and extermination of European Jewry led to the construction of the infamous death camps. The racially motivated murders and deaths happened because that was Nazi policy towards what it determined were inferior and subhuman races of people.
I believe it ridiculous and absurd to frame or link Churchill’s policy of no negotiation with the Nazi regime to the Holocaust and the war in Europe. No evidence for such even exists.
Elbows up!
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Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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@Jolly said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
Ok, who has watched the entire interview?
Only me, maybe you.
@Horace said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
@Jolly said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
Ok, who has watched the entire interview?
Only me, maybe you.
Not me.
You must be the lone ranger...
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@jon-nyc said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
I think Cooper legitimately has fascist views
The mark of a serious thinker. A fascist around every corner of the heterodox right wing media. Anyway, best not listen to anything Cooper says then, lest you catch fascism.
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He chose the "deaths happened" framing because in that context of the conversation he was making an attempt to emphasize Churchill's role in the cause and effect.
So okay I watched the section on WWII in detail and took a cursory view of the other sections.
By the time June 1941 came around the Nazis knew full well that their invasion of the USSR would entail enslavement and racial extermination of whole populations. As the German army advanced the non Jewish population was either enslaved locally or deported to forced labour camps in Germany or occupied Poland. Soviet and Baltic Jews for the most part were murdered on the spot. After the January 1942 Wannsee Conference the policy of mass deportation and extermination of European Jewry led to the construction of the infamous death camps. The racially motivated murders and deaths happened because that was Nazi policy towards what it determined were inferior and subhuman races of people.
I believe it ridiculous and absurd to frame or link Churchill’s policy of no negotiation with the Nazi regime to the Holocaust and the war in Europe. No evidence for such even exists.
@Renauda said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
I believe it ridiculous and absurd to frame or link Churchill’s policy of no negotiation with the Nazi regime to the Holocaust and the war in Europe. No evidence for such even exists.
Cooper admits in the discussion that he is being hyperbolic and trollish in calling Churchill the primary villain of WW2. I think the attempt to make the point is ill-advised, if his intention is to be taken seriously.
Education is extremely important.
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From the same poster:
Putting aside the Hitler apologia (I know!), perhaps the most ironic part is that most people on the right would recognize this strategy of historical revisionism by selective facts and quotes to sell a narrative because we rightly mocked it when The 1619 Project came out.
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He's discovered that different political tribes will use motivated reasoning to reach different conclusions. What a genius. I'm happy for him that he was able to dunk on this point of Cooper's. If we only had more twitter midwits dunking on more fascists, the world would be a better place, with better, more truthy information.
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@Renauda said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
I believe it ridiculous and absurd to frame or link Churchill’s policy of no negotiation with the Nazi regime to the Holocaust and the war in Europe. No evidence for such even exists.
Cooper admits in the discussion that he is being hyperbolic and trollish in calling Churchill the primary villain of WW2. I think the attempt to make the point is ill-advised, if his intention is to be taken seriously.
@Horace said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
@Renauda said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
I believe it ridiculous and absurd to frame or link Churchill’s policy of no negotiation with the Nazi regime to the Holocaust and the war in Europe. No evidence for such even exists.
Cooper admits in the discussion that he is being hyperbolic and trollish in calling Churchill the primary villain of WW2. I think the attempt to make the point is ill-advised, if his intention is to be taken seriously.
Yes I recall that rather lame attempt to put a caveat on whatever point he was trying to make about Churchill. Not to worry, I was unable to take his tortured and ill advised hypothesis regarding WWII the least bit seriously.
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First rule of being a troll: Don't talk about being a troll.
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Jeez guys, Darryl Cooper is a piece of carp from Hell and it seems Tucker is his beloved brother posting this ship.
I really used to like Tucker.
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Jeez guys, Darryl Cooper is a piece of carp from Hell and it seems Tucker is his beloved brother posting this ship.
I really used to like Tucker.
@Tom-K said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
I really used to like Tucker.
Stephen Green (Vodkapundit)
Cooper is either a loon or a fraud. Carlson said he's "the best and most honest popular historian in the United States." Is following a trail already well-trod by Candace Owens really where Tucker Carlson wants to go?
"Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action," Ian Fleming wrote in "Goldfinger."
One fawning interview with a rabid antisemite like Munther Isaac is happenstance. A second fawning interview with a Hitler apologist like Darryl Cooper is coincidence. Will Carlson go for three and force us to conclude he's conducting an enemy action??
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Jeez guys, Darryl Cooper is a piece of carp from Hell and it seems Tucker is his beloved brother posting this ship.
I really used to like Tucker.
@Tom-K said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
I really used to like Tucker.
That means you liked his writers when he was on Fox. He is substantially different now, and less relatable. I still like most of his stuff directionally, but he can get ridiculous.
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Cooper did an Ask Me Anything on his site in 2022, long before he went viral. He had been doing historical podcasts for several years and had some fans. Interestingly lots of left-leaning people, who were surprised to learn his politics leaned right. From this I glean that his politics are not obvious from the content he's put out before the Tucker interview. All of these hot takes about him being a Nazi or Fascist are based on what he said in the Tucker piece.
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@jon-nyc said in Haaretz: TuCa and Elon promoting Holocaust revisionism:
Cooper explains himself in detail here on why Churchill was the chief villain of WWII, Community Notes is having none of it.
Seems like more of a discussion than a dunk-fest. An at times nit-picky discussion at that.
