Trump Lies
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@George-K said in Trump Lies:
@Axtremus said in Trump Lies:
A team of NPR reporters...
Anyone surprised?
Nope. Not at all.
Now now, don't shoot the messenger. Jolly really hates it when people do that.
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Here’s the thing about Trump. People know who he is. That 48% of the electorate won’t be moved.
With Kamala, she is kinda unknown (which is bizarre, for a VP. The media and supporters (but I repeat myself) are so happy to have someone else, that there is a euphoric reaction (not for Kamala, but Joe being gone), but 3 months is a long time, and her support has a much better chance of dropping with time than Trump’s.
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Yeah, good analysis LD.
Trump's lying (substantially more than usual compared to his fellow swamp politicians) is one reason I have been unable to vote for him since 2016, among other things (adultery, making fun of disabled folks, but mostly the lying). To each their own but I don't want to tell my kids I ever supported a person like him. That being said... I'm not an idiot, if it was Trump vs a threat to America (like Sanders on steroids), I'd vote for Trump, but to me it doesn't make much of a difference who is in office between Harris, Trump, et al.
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Yeah, good analysis LD.
Trump's lying (substantially more than usual compared to his fellow swamp politicians) is one reason I have been unable to vote for him since 2016, among other things (adultery, making fun of disabled folks, but mostly the lying). To each their own but I don't want to tell my kids I ever supported a person like him. That being said... I'm not an idiot, if it was Trump vs a threat to America (like Sanders on steroids), I'd vote for Trump, but to me it doesn't make much of a difference who is in office between Harris, Trump, et al.
@89th said in Trump Lies:
Trump's lying (substantially more than usual compared to his fellow swamp politicians) is one reason I have been unable to vote for him since 2016
So, in terms of lying, we're arguing about price, amirite? I find Walz's lying about something much more substantial disqualifying.
adultery
Harris.
if it was Trump vs a threat to America (like Sanders on steroids), I'd vote for Trump,
Remember, Harris was found, as a senator, to be to the left of Bernie.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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Her signature legislation (not passed) was to give every single person $2,000 per month during COVID. You saw what the $600 per person on 3 payments did to inflation, imagine $2,000 per month…
The Brad
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Also, what constitutes a real lie vs an exaggeration? There's a host of them in the "Biden lies" thread. What's important?
Trump said that Harris failed the bar twice. She didn't.
She failed it on her first attempt (when 83% of applicants pass).
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Also, what constitutes a real lie vs an exaggeration? There's a host of them in the "Biden lies" thread. What's important?
Trump said that Harris failed the bar twice. She didn't.
She failed it on her first attempt (when 83% of applicants pass).
@George-K said in Trump Lies:
Also, what constitutes a real lie vs an exaggeration?
Describing what Trump says on a regular basis as 'exaggeration' stretches the meaning of that word to limits likely to create an irreversible breakdown in the space-time continuum, and quite possibly an end to the universe as we know it.
See - that's an exaggeration. What Trump does is just make shit up out of his head. He says things he wants to be true as though they are true, and a surprisingly large number of his flock appear to go along with him. Well, maybe not 'surprisingly'.
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Her signature legislation (not passed) was to give every single person $2,000 per month during COVID. You saw what the $600 per person on 3 payments did to inflation, imagine $2,000 per month…
@LuFins-Dad said in Trump Lies:
Her signature legislation (not passed) was to give every single person $2,000 per month during COVID. You saw what the $600 per person on 3 payments did to inflation, imagine $2,000 per month…
Meh. Quadrupling the money supply was the major driver. Only a small portion of that was paid out as covid stimulus. The vast majority was injected into the banking system, where it reared its head as inflation exactly 18 months later, just as the good professor Friedman told us it would some 70 years ago.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Trump Lies:
Her signature legislation (not passed) was to give every single person $2,000 per month during COVID. You saw what the $600 per person on 3 payments did to inflation, imagine $2,000 per month…
Meh. Quadrupling the money supply was the major driver. Only a small portion of that was paid out as covid stimulus. The vast majority was injected into the banking system, where it reared its head as inflation exactly 18 months later, just as the good professor Friedman told us it would some 70 years ago.
@jon-nyc said in Trump Lies:
Quadrupling the money supply was the major driver.
Am I missing something? M2 is the money supply, right?
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@jon-nyc said in Trump Lies:
Quadrupling the money supply was the major driver.
Am I missing something? M2 is the money supply, right?
@George-K said in Trump Lies:
@jon-nyc said in Trump Lies:
Quadrupling the money supply was the major driver.
Am I missing something? M2 is the money supply, right?
M1 is the actual amount of money in circulation. Cash/Coins/Checking Accounts/Actual spendable money.
M2 is M1 Plus timed deposits. Money Market Accounts, CD, etc...
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@LuFins-Dad said in Trump Lies:
Her signature legislation (not passed) was to give every single person $2,000 per month during COVID. You saw what the $600 per person on 3 payments did to inflation, imagine $2,000 per month…
Meh. Quadrupling the money supply was the major driver. Only a small portion of that was paid out as covid stimulus. The vast majority was injected into the banking system, where it reared its head as inflation exactly 18 months later, just as the good professor Friedman told us it would some 70 years ago.
@jon-nyc said in Trump Lies:
@LuFins-Dad said in Trump Lies:
Her signature legislation (not passed) was to give every single person $2,000 per month during COVID. You saw what the $600 per person on 3 payments did to inflation, imagine $2,000 per month…
Meh. Quadrupling the money supply was the major driver. Only a small portion of that was paid out as covid stimulus. The vast majority was injected into the banking system, where it reared its head as inflation exactly 18 months later, just as the good professor Friedman told us it would some 70 years ago.
And why was it injected into the M1?
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@89th said in Trump Lies:
Trump's lying (substantially more than usual compared to his fellow swamp politicians) is one reason I have been unable to vote for him since 2016
So, in terms of lying, we're arguing about price, amirite? I find Walz's lying about something much more substantial disqualifying.
adultery
Harris.
if it was Trump vs a threat to America (like Sanders on steroids), I'd vote for Trump,
Remember, Harris was found, as a senator, to be to the left of Bernie.
@George-K said in Trump Lies:
So, in terms of lying, we're arguing about price, amirite? I find Walz's lying about something much more substantial disqualifying.
Trump lied about his former support for the Iraq war. Seems pretty substantial to me.
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@89th said in Trump Lies:
Trump's lying (substantially more than usual compared to his fellow swamp politicians) is one reason I have been unable to vote for him since 2016
So, in terms of lying, we're arguing about price, amirite? I find Walz's lying about something much more substantial disqualifying.
adultery
Harris.
if it was Trump vs a threat to America (like Sanders on steroids), I'd vote for Trump,
Remember, Harris was found, as a senator, to be to the left of Bernie.
@George-K said in Trump Lies:
@89th said in Trump Lies:
Trump's lying (substantially more than usual compared to his fellow swamp politicians) is one reason I have been unable to vote for him since 2016
So, in terms of lying, we're arguing about price, amirite? I find Walz's lying about something much more substantial disqualifying.
With all due respect, I think you've just become used to how Trump speaks over the last 8 years... the number of falsehoods, made-up facts, "many people have told me" excuses, and exaggerations is almost impossible to keep track of.
Actually someone did keep track.
30,573 false or misleading claims between 2017 and 2021.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-claims-database/?itid=lk_inline_manual_11
I know.. WaPo, but the full database is open, you can download the CSV file, it's about as auditable as you can get. Heck, let's start at the very beginning about his inauguration crowd size being bigger than Obama's.
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So, you believe the 2020 election was stolen based on unanimously rejected claims, but when there's a completely transparent and auditable trail of false or misleading claims by Trump, you don't believe it.
I've said it a billion times. I'm a conservative, as you are. Imagine how you'd react if it was Obama instead of Trump and the coronavirus fumbles, election denial, January 6th, and database of false claims. I'd be reacting the same, would you?
Ok, I lied. I haven't said it a billion times, maybe a few dozen.
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So, you believe the 2020 election was stolen based on unanimously rejected claims, but when there's a completely transparent and auditable trail of false or misleading claims by Trump, you don't believe it.
I've said it a billion times. I'm a conservative, as you are. Imagine how you'd react if it was Obama instead of Trump and the coronavirus fumbles, election denial, January 6th, and database of false claims. I'd be reacting the same, would you?
Ok, I lied. I haven't said it a billion times, maybe a few dozen.
@89th said in Trump Lies:
So, you believe the 2020 election was stolen based on unanimously rejected claims, but when there's a completely transparent and auditable trail of false or misleading claims by Trump, you don't believe it.
I've said it a billion times. I'm a conservative, as you are. Imagine how you'd react if it was Obama instead of Trump and the coronavirus fumbles, election denial, January 6th, and database of false claims. I'd be reacting the same, would you?
Ok, I lied. I haven't said it a billion times, maybe a few dozen.
No, I believe the election was stolen based on personal experience with stolen elections. The 2020 election had multiple warning signs that screamed ballot finagling.
I also think - and this is readily apparent - the kid glove treatment of Basement Biden and the Dems changing rules to facilitate massive mail-in voting (and ballot harvesting) - is also tantamount to stealing an election.
