"Women's" Boxing at the Olympics

[jon-nyc]

I read in BBC that they did a testosterone test, and the president of the IBF said the levels of testosterone 'prove' she's an XY, which seems a bit more dubious.

[LuFins Dad]

@jon-nyc said in "Women's" Boxing at the Olympics:

I read in BBC that they did a testosterone test, and the president of the IBF said the levels of testosterone 'prove' she's an XY, which seems a bit more dubious.

The IBF say it was not a testosterone test, but the results are confidential. https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/02/sport/who-is-imane-khelif-olympic-boxer-intl/index.html

The IBF is far from the most trustworthy organization and has many legitimate corruption scandals, but then again, so does the IOC. Khelif has the option and ability to put all of this to rest, then sue the everloving shit out of the IBF if she is XX. She also has the option of maintaining as much privacy as she can and not answering the questions. But that will leave her open for continued scrutiny and doubts.

[taiwan_girl]

Well, at least Rep. Boebert started a Go Fund for the Italian boxer.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/aug/1/lauren-boebert-launches-givesendgo-crowdfund-campa/

[George K]

@taiwan_girl said in "Women's" Boxing at the Olympics:

the Italian boxer

So that's what it's called now.

[LuFins Dad]

Well crap, the Bulgarian boxer that just lost to the Taiwanese boxer that was also tagged by the IBF refused to shake hands, pointed to self, and flashed X twice…

[George K]

My understanding is that there's some controversy about the IBA.

Nevertheless, this is a pretty strong statement.

[jon-nyc]

[LuFins Dad]

A lot of confusion, people are thinking the two boxers are going to face each other, but they aren’t. They are in different weight classes.

[LuFins Dad]

Dawkins wanted to weigh in (see what I did, there?), but FB didn’t like it.

[George K]

[LuFins Dad]

@George-K said in "Women's" Boxing at the Olympics:

@LuFins-Dad said in "Women's" Boxing at the Olympics:

Dawkins wanted to weigh in (see what I did, there?), but FB didn’t like it.

Welcome to Joe Biden's America.

Except the Olympics are in Paris, Dawkins is in the U.K., Zuckerberg’s FB is an international social media platform, and Joe Biden is being hand fed pudding.

[LuFins Dad]

[jon-nyc]

He’s a bloke.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/boxing/2025/06/01/imane-khelif-medical-report-proves-biological-male/

[LuFins Dad]

Wow! I expect we will see quite a lot of apologies and mea culpas over the next few days.

[jon-nyc]

From what I am seeing it appears Khalif has this:

5-ARD stands for 5-alpha-reductase deficiency, a rare genetic condition that affects sex development.

Key facts:
• It’s caused by mutations in the SRD5A2 gene, which encodes the enzyme 5-alpha-reductase type 2.
• This enzyme converts testosterone into dihydrotestosterone (DHT) — a more potent androgen critical for the development of male external genitalia in utero.

What happens in 5-ARD:
• Individuals are typically genetically male (46,XY) but are born with ambiguous or female-appearing genitalia due to lack of DHT during fetal development.
• At puberty, testosterone levels rise and may cause masculinization, such as deepening of the voice, increased muscle mass, and growth of a penis from what was previously a small phallus or clitoris-like structure.

Other features may include:
• Undescended testes (cryptorchidism)
• Absence of menstruation (if initially raised as female)
• Little or no facial/body hair (due to reduced DHT)

Social and medical implications:
• Many individuals are raised female and may later transition to a male identity.
• The condition is one of several classified as a Difference (or Disorder) of Sex Development (DSD).

Treatment options may involve hormone therapy or surgery, but decisions are often individualized and increasingly guided by patient-centered care as the person grows.

[LuFins Dad]

I could see where this would go unrecognized in less developed nations, but by the time he was competing internationally l, it would have been identified.

[jon-nyc]

Also layer on that the social pathologies of Islam. It would suck to be born that way anywhere. But worse there.

[Axtremus]

Given what @jon-nyc posted above about 5-ARD, is Khalif a "trans"?

If one were to apply the "sex assigned at birth" standard, what sex or gender should be noted on Khalif's passport? Which class or category should Khalif compete in?

[jon-nyc]

Sex isn’t assigned at birth. It’s determined at meiosis, or determined at gamete fusion, depending on how you want to think about it. I think the former is more accurate.

[LuFins Dad]

@Axtremus said in "Women's" Boxing at the Olympics:

Given what @jon-nyc posted above about 5-ARD, is Khalif a "trans"?

If one were to apply the "sex assigned at birth" standard, what sex or gender should be noted on Khalif's passport? Which class or category should Khalif compete in?

I have no qualms whatsoever about letting Khalif live out his/her life as whatever gender they want. In these extremely rare types of situations, I’m all for compassion and understanding. And most importantly, privacy. And I would definitely not consider Khalif “trans”.

But if Khalif wants to box, it would absolutely need to be in a men’s division.