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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    jon-nyc
    wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
    #17

    I checked older versions of his wiki page from 2021, 2022, 2023, and February 2024.

    None mention IDF.

    Assuming it really did appear in a recent page, it was probably vandalism from antisemites or anti-Shapiro folks playing to them that was then corrected.

    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
    -Cormac McCarthy

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    • George KG Offline
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      #18

      Not recent - 1993.

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/shapiro-seeks-to-downplay-his-time-as-idf-volunteer-after-college-op-ed-resurfaces/ar-AA1o9NZS

      ennsylvania Governor and potential Democratic vice presidential nominee Josh Shapiro on Friday sought to distance himself from a recently uncovered op-ed he wrote in college, in which he identified as a former volunteer in the IDF and argued that the Palestinians are too “battle-minded” to pursue peace with Israel.

      “While he was in high school, Josh Shapiro was required to do a service project, which he and several classmates completed through a program that took them to a kibbutz in Israel where he worked on a farm and at a fishery,” Shapiro’s spokesperson Manuel Bonder told The Times of Israel.

      “The program also included volunteering on service projects on an Israeli army base. At no time was he engaged in any military activities,” Bonder added in a statement responding to an inquiry regarding the nature of his volunteer work.

      In the 1993 newspaper op-ed, which dismissed the recently signed Oslo Accords, Shapiro wrote, “Despite my skepticism as a Jew and a past volunteer in the Israeli army, I strongly hope and pray that this ‘peace plan’ will be successful.”

      While Shapiro’s Jewish roots are well established — including his enrollment at the Akiba Hebrew Academy in Philadelphia — the op-ed from his time at the University of Rochester appeared to be the first revelation of such direct ties to the IDF.

      “Palestinians will not coexist peacefully,” Shapiro also wrote in the op-ed titled “Peace Not Possible.”

      “They do not have the capabilities to establish their own homeland and make it successful even with the aid of Israel and the United States. They are too battle-minded to be able to establish a peaceful homeland of their own,” added the then-20-year-old student.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • jon-nycJ Offline
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        jon-nyc
        wrote on last edited by
        #19

        Ok, so someone uncovered that in the last few days and put it in his page.

        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
        -Cormac McCarthy

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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          I checked older versions of his wiki page from 2021, 2022, 2023, and February 2024.

          None mention IDF.

          Assuming it really did appear in a recent page, it was probably vandalism from antisemites or anti-Shapiro folks playing to them that was then corrected.

          LuFins DadL Offline
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          LuFins Dad
          wrote on last edited by
          #20

          @jon-nyc said in Shapiro?:

          I checked older versions of his wiki page from 2021, 2022, 2023, and February 2024.

          None mention IDF.

          Assuming it really did appear in a recent page, it was probably vandalism from antisemites or anti-Shapiro folks playing to them that was then corrected.

          If they were smart, they would have waited 2 weeks.

          The Brad

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          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

            Ok, so someone uncovered that in the last few days and put it in his page.

            George KG Offline
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            George K
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            #21

            @jon-nyc said in Shapiro?:

            Ok, so someone uncovered that in the last few days and put it in his page.

            Yup, and it's old, as I said.

            Kinda funny people trying to bring it up, or, perhaps more importantly cover it up.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • jon-nycJ Offline
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              jon-nyc
              wrote on last edited by
              #22

              What the guy wrote was inaccurate or at least misleading anyway.

              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
              -Cormac McCarthy

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              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                What the guy wrote was inaccurate or at least misleading anyway.

                LuFins DadL Offline
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                LuFins Dad
                wrote on last edited by
                #23

                @jon-nyc said in Shapiro?:

                What the guy wrote was inaccurate or at least misleading anyway.

                What which guy wrote?

                The Brad

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                • George KG Offline
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                  George K
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                  #24

                  Fetterman has concerns.

                  https://www.politico.com/news/2024/08/03/fetterman-shapiro-harris-vp-00172557

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • jon-nycJ Offline
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                    jon-nyc
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #25

                    Saw that. Sounds more like a clash of ambitions.

                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                    • LuFins DadL Offline
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                      LuFins Dad
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #26

                      Two different types of democrats with appeals to different types within the state.

                      I get that he’s newer, and I personally don’t trust the guy, but Fetterman would not be the worst choice for Kamala.

                      The Brad

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                        jon-nyc
                        wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
                        #27

                        Chris Christie pointed out Trump’s role in getting Shapiro elected governor - by endorsing Mastriano, the weakest republican in the field.

                        How funny if that ends up costing him the general.

                        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                        -Cormac McCarthy

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                        • MikM Away
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                          Picking Fetterman assures that they would not be able to focus on issues rather than constantly being on the defense about whether he was ready to be a heartbeat away.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          • MikM Mik

                            Picking Fetterman assures that they would not be able to focus on issues rather than constantly being on the defense about whether he was ready to be a heartbeat away.

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                            @Mik said in Shapiro?:

                            Picking Fetterman assures that they would not be able to focus on issues rather than constantly being on the defense about whether he was ready to be a heartbeat away.

                            Like Vance? Both became Senators in 22. Fetterman was PA Lt. Governor before that… Vance was an author… That’s not a discussion that plays to the Republicans…

                            The Brad

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                            • MikM Away
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                              Mik
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                              #30

                              It's about his health, not his experience. Plus, can you imagine Fetterman showing up at the G9 in a hoodie and shorts?

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              • jon-nycJ Offline
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                                jon-nyc
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                                #31

                                Yeah but people who don’t know who he is could be introduced to him via video of him at his worst, health wise.

                                (By the way, it wasn’t long ago when that would have been considered off limits)

                                "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                -Cormac McCarthy

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                                • MikM Away
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                                  Mik
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #32

                                  Too much baggage. I am led to understand that Shapiro may have some as well, but it's not as readily apparent.

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  • George KG Offline
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                                    wrote on last edited by
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                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    • George KG Offline
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                                      George K
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #34

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • George KG Offline
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                                        George K
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                                        https://www.politico.com/news/2024/08/06/why-kamala-harris-chose-tim-walz-00172834

                                        Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro, another finalist, avoided the green-room circuit and instead touted Harris and his own record at a series of events throughout the state. A pro-Harris event in Philadelphia turned into a Shapiro-for-VP party.

                                        His style was seen by at least some in Harris’ world as showboating. One senior Democrat in touch with Harris’ team called it “counterproductive.”

                                        And there was a sense within Shapiro’s team that, unlike Walz, his interview with Harris did not go as well as it could have. There was “not a great feeling” coming out of it, according to a person in touch with his advisers.

                                        After their meeting on Sunday, Shapiro called Harris’ team and made clear that he was “struggling with the decision to leave his current job as governor of Pennsylvania, in order to seek the vice presidency,” according to a person familiar with the selection process.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          One thing for sure is that this process elevated his stature. If Harris loses he’ll be a top candidate in 2028.

                                          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                          -Cormac McCarthy

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