Secret Service under fire
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Secret Service: "We can't do our job"
Alternate title: "Stay indoors."
Secret Service officials encouraged Donald Trump’s campaign to stop scheduling large outdoor rallies and other outdoor events with big crowds after the assassination attempt on the former president in Butler, Pa., according to people familiar with the matter.
In the aftermath of the shooting, agents from the Secret Service communicated their concerns about large outdoor rallies going forward to Trump campaign advisers, three people familiar with the matter said.
The people familiar with the matter spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe private discussions.
For upcoming events, Trump’s team is scouting indoor venues, such as basketball arenas and other large spaces where thousands of people can fit, people familiar with the request said. The campaign is not currently planning any large outdoor events, a person close to Trump said.
A Trump campaign spokeswoman declined to comment. A spokesman for the Secret Service said the agency does not comment on its protective methods.
Trump has held hundreds of outdoor rallies since launching his first presidential bid, often bragging about — and sometimes falsely inflating — his large crowds. They have become something of a cult favorite among his most passionate fans, with tailgate parties in parking lots, vendors lining open areas near the rally and large parades of traffic, often with gargantuan pickup trucks.
They usually include large rosters of speakers before Trump takes the stage, with crowds sometimes enduring the heat or the cold for many hours. The crowd sometimes departs before Trump, who is regularly late, finishes speaking.
The rallies are often held at airports but are also held at fairgrounds, football stadiums or other large outdoor venues.
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I think that if someone really wanted to harm a candidate, they could do so. The fortunate thing is that those who do want to harm a candidate are usually not 100% there mentally.
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I think that if someone really wanted to harm a candidate, they could do so. The fortunate thing is that those who do want to harm a candidate are usually not 100% there mentally.
@taiwan_girl said in Secret Service under fire:
The fortunate thing is that those who do want to harm a candidate are usually not 100% there mentally.
Or talented. One of the criticisms of Oswald is that no untrained sniper could have pulled off that assassination.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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How is that a criticism? More like mad props.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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@taiwan_girl said in Secret Service under fire:
The fortunate thing is that those who do want to harm a candidate are usually not 100% there mentally.
Or talented. One of the criticisms of Oswald is that no untrained sniper could have pulled off that assassination.
@George-K said in Secret Service under fire:
One of the criticisms of (the investigation of) Oswald is that no untrained sniper could have pulled off that assassination.
I was actually surprised at how close the book company window was from where the presidents limo was. I always imagined it was much further away.
(Of course, I could not have made that shot on a moving car, etc. so there was some "skill" definitely involved)
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@jon-nyc said in Secret Service under fire:
How is that a criticism? More like mad props.
I dunno. I used to be pretty quick with a stick-shift rifle. I know I could shoot a slick bolt as faster than Oswald was purported to do. But Oswald wasn't shooting a slick bolt. The Carcano can be a little clunky. And the bolt is Mannlicher style and in the wrong place.
Link to videoIdeally, you'd like the bolt knob to be above the trigger, like a K98 or a 1903 Springfield. When you shoot, you rack the bolt with your palm, pull back and then rack it forward with the web of your hand and as your cartridge loads and you drop the bolt down, your index finger naturally drops to the trigger.
While the Carcano might have been fast enough to make the JFK shots, I've always wondered about the scope. It's horrendous. 18mm, which means crappy light transmission and the crosshairs in those scopes could get knocked off real easy.
So who knows? Maybe Oswald had a "good day".
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Scalise is whacking Mayorkas on TV right now. The Secret Service is short 1000 people. Some current agents do not have full security clearance. Training was only 30 minutes last year.
In his words, " The only thing they're competent at, is incompetence".
Furthermore, the training and recruitment problems have been known for years and have not been addressed.
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@Jolly Interesting. I did not realize that they were short so many people.
How do you fix it?
For those that are on security, it is a tough job I would think. Significant travel and being away for "long"periods, etc.
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@Jolly Interesting. I did not realize that they were short so many people.
How do you fix it?
For those that are on security, it is a tough job I would think. Significant travel and being away for "long"periods, etc.
@taiwan_girl said in Secret Service under fire:
@Jolly Interesting. I did not realize that they were short so many people.
How do you fix it?
For those that are on security, it is a tough job I would think. Significant travel and being away for "long"periods, etc.
One of the biggest complaints of the protection agents is they cannot have a life apart from the job.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/02/us/politics/secret-service-trump-assassination-attempt.html
(copied from a blog...)
Here are just a few inexplicable things he revealed:
- the Secret Service had no radio communications not only with the local police but also with the snipers
- most of the vital communications were made using texts over an overloaded cell phone network
- There are no recordings of the Secret Service communications, although there are of the locals
- Rowe's assertions about the responsibilities of the local snipers didn't actually come from the local snipers--it was just made up by the Secret Service (we would know much less were it not for the locals)
- the Secret Service command center was not co-located with the local police
- The investigators have YET to talk to the local police who were assisting the SS, including the snipers (after three weeks!)
- Butler was the VERY FIRST TIME that the Secret Service provided snipers for a Trump rally this election cycle
They communicated via text.
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Saw that last one this weekend. It's almost like they wanted Trump killed.
Nah...
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@George-K I thought after Sept 11, one of the things that was indicated as a major problem was lack of communications among different organizations. Obvlisouly, they have not solved things.
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@Jolly said in Secret Service under fire:
Saw that last one this weekend. It's almost like they wanted Trump killed.
Nah...
I’m telling you, protection at these types of events aren’t as tight as you’d think, especially outside of the security zone.
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@Jolly said in Secret Service under fire:
Saw that last one this weekend. It's almost like they wanted Trump killed.
Nah...
I’m telling you, protection at these types of events aren’t as tight as you’d think, especially outside of the security zone.
@89th said in Secret Service under fire:
@Jolly said in Secret Service under fire:
Saw that last one this weekend. It's almost like they wanted Trump killed.
Nah...
I’m telling you, protection at these types of events aren’t as tight as you’d think, especially outside of the security zone.
Lad, 150 yards in the prone position with a rifle is rock-throwing distance. I'd call that within the perimeter.
