Birthright Citizenship
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@George-K said in Birthright Citizenship:
@taiwan_girl said in Birthright Citizenship:
here have been some "birth hotels" in California that have been raided, etc.
I have taken care of more than one
undocumentedillegal immigrant who came to the US to give birth to a US citizen.How did you know they were illegal? Often they’re middle class and eligible for a tourist visa and take a plane here. Crossing on foot through the desert isn’t the most appealing thing for a woman who’s 8 months pregnant.
‘Birth tourism’ is not cheap, after all.
@jon-nyc said in Birthright Citizenship:
@George-K said in Birthright Citizenship:
@taiwan_girl said in Birthright Citizenship:
here have been some "birth hotels" in California that have been raided, etc.
I have taken care of more than one
undocumentedillegal immigrant who came to the US to give birth to a US citizen.How did you know they were illegal? Often they’re middle class and eligible for a tourist visa and take a plane here. Crossing on foot through the desert isn’t the most appealing thing for a woman who’s 8 months pregnant.
‘Birth tourism’ is not cheap, after all.
We had them all the time. At least the migrant kind. The local nursery industry used a lot of illegal immigrant labor. EMTALA decrees you can't turn a woman in labor away. You put her in the hospital and deliver the baby.
As for the tourism bit...If I had a Chinese middle or upper class mother, seven or eight months pregnant, paying cash for her delivery...I'd take a hard look at that.
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There’s a distinction between illegal immogrants who come here for a better life and end up having a kid and those who make a trip here specifically to have their kid on US soil and then go home. The latter is a luxury good open to the higher ends of the middle classes and above. I’ve known a few myself.
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I see no difference, as far as citizenship is concerned. Being a U.S. citizen should mean something. With that citizenship comes all rights, privileges and responsibilities of being a citizen.
I see no problem with the proposal of discontinuing the "anchor babies". As to the particulars, I think that's open to discussion.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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Do these rich foreign women who travel to birth in the U.S. realize the lifelong IRS tax reporting obligations of the child once the child becomes 18.5 yrs? And how their child’s income, inheritances, can be taxed? Or how expensive and complicated Renunciation of U.S. Citizenship can get from abroad?
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I see no difference, as far as citizenship is concerned. Being a U.S. citizen should mean something. With that citizenship comes all rights, privileges and responsibilities of being a citizen.
I see no problem with the proposal of discontinuing the "anchor babies". As to the particulars, I think that's open to discussion.
@Jolly said in Birthright Citizenship:
I see no difference, as far as citizenship is concerned. Being a U.S. citizen should mean something. With that citizenship comes all rights, privileges and responsibilities of being a citizen.
I see no problem with the proposal of discontinuing the "anchor babies".
What's the problem as long as the "anchor babies" who enjoy all the rights & privileges of citizenship also grow up to fulfill the responsibilities of being citizens?
Heck, why do you care whether one is a natural-born citizen or a naturalized citizen, as long as s/he fulfills the responsibilities of being a citizen?
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Do these rich foreign women who travel to birth in the U.S. realize the lifelong IRS tax reporting obligations of the child once the child becomes 18.5 yrs? And how their child’s income, inheritances, can be taxed? Or how expensive and complicated Renunciation of U.S. Citizenship can get from abroad?
Or how expensive and complicated Renunciation of U.S. Citizenship can get from abroad?
A former colleague - born in New Jersey to a Finnish father and Canadian mother - finally completed the process last year. Seven and half years and over $10 K USD.
Only resided in the US for the first six months of her life. Her father was temporarily posted there for a year for business when she was born. Home was Helsinki. Moved to Canada from Finland as a full Canadian when she was 21.
She said the process of renunciation was onerous and at time ridiculously intrusive as to personal privacy going back to her childhood.
Last year, my son renounced his birth citizenship - Kazakhstan. A one page form, a photocopy of pages 3 and 4 of his Canadian passport and a bank draft for $50 USD payable to the Embassy in Ottawa. Six weeks later a certificate confirming loss of citizenship arrived by registered mail.
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@Jolly said in Birthright Citizenship:
I see no difference, as far as citizenship is concerned. Being a U.S. citizen should mean something. With that citizenship comes all rights, privileges and responsibilities of being a citizen.
I see no problem with the proposal of discontinuing the "anchor babies".
What's the problem as long as the "anchor babies" who enjoy all the rights & privileges of citizenship also grow up to fulfill the responsibilities of being citizens?
Heck, why do you care whether one is a natural-born citizen or a naturalized citizen, as long as s/he fulfills the responsibilities of being a citizen?
@Axtremus said in Birthright Citizenship:
What's the problem as long as the "anchor babies" who enjoy all the rights & privileges of citizenship also grow up to fulfill the responsibilities of being citizens?
What's the problem with unplanned and unregulated immigration?
That's what you are advocating.
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@Axtremus said in Birthright Citizenship:
What's the problem as long as the "anchor babies" who enjoy all the rights & privileges of citizenship also grow up to fulfill the responsibilities of being citizens?
What's the problem with unplanned and unregulated immigration?
That's what you are advocating.
@Jolly said in Birthright Citizenship:
@Axtremus said in Birthright Citizenship:
What's the problem as long as the "anchor babies" who enjoy all the rights & privileges of citizenship also grow up to fulfill the responsibilities of being citizens?
What's the problem with unplanned and unregulated immigration?
How much of the USA's immigration has been "planned" historically?
How are "anchor babies" unregulated? They are legal, after all. And they still have to show paperwork when they apply for something/anything that resembles a right or privilege of a citizen (e.g., to get a US passport, to register to vote, etc.).
If you think there are problems, tell me what those problems are.
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Most of the Western Hemisphere has unrestricted birthright citizenship (or anchor babies as described above):
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-with-birthright-citizenship
Nothing special about the US in this regard.
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Or how expensive and complicated Renunciation of U.S. Citizenship can get from abroad?
A former colleague - born in New Jersey to a Finnish father and Canadian mother - finally completed the process last year. Seven and half years and over $10 K USD.
Only resided in the US for the first six months of her life. Her father was temporarily posted there for a year for business when she was born. Home was Helsinki. Moved to Canada from Finland as a full Canadian when she was 21.
She said the process of renunciation was onerous and at time ridiculously intrusive as to personal privacy going back to her childhood.
Last year, my son renounced his birth citizenship - Kazakhstan. A one page form, a photocopy of pages 3 and 4 of his Canadian passport and a bank draft for $50 USD payable to the Embassy in Ottawa. Six weeks later a certificate confirming loss of citizenship arrived by registered mail.
@Renauda said in Birthright Citizenship:
Or how expensive and complicated Renunciation of U.S. Citizenship can get from abroad?
A former colleague - born in New Jersey to a Finnish father and Canadian mother - finally completed the process last year. Seven and half years and over $10 K USD.
Only resided in the US for the first six months of her life. Her father was temporarily posted there for a year for business when she was born. Home was Helsinki. Moved to Canada from Finland as a full Canadian when she was 21.
She said the process of renunciation was onerous and at time ridiculously intrusive as to personal privacy going back to her childhood.
Last year, my son renounced his birth citizenship - Kazakhstan. A one page form, a photocopy of pages 3 and 4 of his Canadian passport and a bank draft for $50 USD payable to the Embassy in Ottawa. Six weeks later a certificate confirming loss of citizenship arrived by registered mail.
@Renauda yes.. onerous and intrusive. It took us about 3 yrs and $20K for our kid to renounce. He lived there under a year. We needed lawyers with accountants who specialize in this. He has Canadian citizenship.
