Secret Service under fire
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wrote on 16 Jul 2024, 20:22 last edited by
The Secret Service will never live this down.
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There are rules, as Jolly stated. At that moment, the sniper was not allowed to fire without a clear direct order to fire or if the gunman fires first.
wrote on 16 Jul 2024, 23:07 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Secret Service under fire:
There are rules, as Jolly stated. At that moment, the sniper was not allowed to fire without a clear direct order to fire or if the gunman fires first.
Agree with you and @Jolly and further, if the rifle wasn’t visible until the last few seconds, then it makes it a bit more understandable.
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wrote on 16 Jul 2024, 23:31 last edited by
Maybe they need to privatize the Secret Service.
Actually, probably not. But why anybody expects government departments not to act like government departments is maybe something to think about.
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Maybe they need to privatize the Secret Service.
Actually, probably not. But why anybody expects government departments not to act like government departments is maybe something to think about.
wrote on 17 Jul 2024, 00:16 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Secret Service under fire:
Maybe they need to privatize the Secret Service.
Actually, probably not. But why anybody expects government departments not to act like government departments is maybe something to think about.
As Bongino (former Secret Service agent - Obama Detail) said, You've got one job. Protect the principal at all costs. Whatever you have to do. Period.
As in war and many other things, the goal is simple and clear. The execution can sometimes be very complicated and hard to do. I think what we are going to find, is that there was a screw-up in communication between the regular detail, the added agents from other agencies (perimeter guys) and local law enforcement (responsible for everything outside the perimeter). Might be something as simple as dissimilar radio frequencies or guy on different bands.
Again going back to Bongino, who said this was a very garden-variety assignment, bordering on the routine. Trump has done scores of these rallies and the basic security concepts are well-worn. There should have been nothing new. So the pooch was screwed, badly.
Question is, "Why?".
Another note...The Congressional Hearings for next week were not just scheduled. They had been on the calendar for weeks. There have been multiple complaints coming from within the department, ranging from inadequate personnel, inadequate time-off and some DEI problems.
Gonna be interesting.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Secret Service under fire:
Maybe they need to privatize the Secret Service.
Actually, probably not. But why anybody expects government departments not to act like government departments is maybe something to think about.
As Bongino (former Secret Service agent - Obama Detail) said, You've got one job. Protect the principal at all costs. Whatever you have to do. Period.
As in war and many other things, the goal is simple and clear. The execution can sometimes be very complicated and hard to do. I think what we are going to find, is that there was a screw-up in communication between the regular detail, the added agents from other agencies (perimeter guys) and local law enforcement (responsible for everything outside the perimeter). Might be something as simple as dissimilar radio frequencies or guy on different bands.
Again going back to Bongino, who said this was a very garden-variety assignment, bordering on the routine. Trump has done scores of these rallies and the basic security concepts are well-worn. There should have been nothing new. So the pooch was screwed, badly.
Question is, "Why?".
Another note...The Congressional Hearings for next week were not just scheduled. They had been on the calendar for weeks. There have been multiple complaints coming from within the department, ranging from inadequate personnel, inadequate time-off and some DEI problems.
Gonna be interesting.
wrote on 17 Jul 2024, 00:37 last edited by@Jolly said in Secret Service under fire:
Again going back to Bongino, who said this was a very garden-variety assignment, bordering on the routine. Trump has done scores of these rallies and the basic security concepts are well-worn. There should have been nothing new. So the pooch was screwed, badly.
Question is, "Why?".
Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.
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wrote on 17 Jul 2024, 01:00 last edited by
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wrote on 17 Jul 2024, 01:09 last edited by
Anybody who listened to the director of the agency and her excuses, who still thinks the Secret Service is a serious agency worthy of the mystique they’ve been dining out on forever, is a more hopeful person than I.
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wrote on 17 Jul 2024, 01:10 last edited by George K
All this BS makes me want to re-read "Rawhide Down."
I've commented on my encounter with Tim McCarthy - the guy who took a bullet for Reagan.
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wrote on 17 Jul 2024, 17:56 last edited by
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wrote on 17 Jul 2024, 18:00 last edited by
It does not seem likely that that kid would become involved in a serious conspiracy to do serious things in this world. It is more likely that, in fact, he learned how to build that bomb by himself on the internet, and that he “snuck past” our crack secret service to take his shots at Trump.
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wrote on 17 Jul 2024, 18:07 last edited by
He was a science major - and probably didn't have the 10 commandments in his school. Things to be corrected.
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wrote on 19 Jul 2024, 00:20 last edited by
According to an attorney who specializes in self-defense, there's no excuse for the delay in taking out the alleged assassin.
"The law allows for them to use deadly force in the defense of the President or any other innocent person the moment they reasonably perceive an imminent deadly force threat to that innocent person. That means they don't have to wait for a shot to be fired by the bad guy first, they don't have to be certain he's a bad guy. It could be wrong, it just has to be reasonably perceived as a deadly threat."
Link to videoGo to 3:40.
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wrote on 19 Jul 2024, 00:32 last edited by
You know, I kinda suspect that the secret service saw this geeky little kid, acting as incompetent as hell, trying to get through security with a range finder, crawling on the ground, and all the other shit, and thought it was a joke or thought the kid couldn’t pose a real threat.
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According to an attorney who specializes in self-defense, there's no excuse for the delay in taking out the alleged assassin.
"The law allows for them to use deadly force in the defense of the President or any other innocent person the moment they reasonably perceive an imminent deadly force threat to that innocent person. That means they don't have to wait for a shot to be fired by the bad guy first, they don't have to be certain he's a bad guy. It could be wrong, it just has to be reasonably perceived as a deadly threat."
Link to videoGo to 3:40.
wrote on 19 Jul 2024, 03:44 last edited by@George-K said in Secret Service under fire:
According to an attorney who specializes in self-defense, there's no excuse for the delay in taking out the alleged assassin.
"The law allows for them to use deadly force in the defense of the President or any other innocent person the moment they reasonably perceive an imminent deadly force threat to that innocent person. That means they don't have to wait for a shot to be fired by the bad guy first, they don't have to be certain he's a bad guy. It could be wrong, it just has to be reasonably perceived as a deadly threat."
Link to videoGo to 3:40.
I don’t know about you, but I’d see a guy with a rifle trying to get to a place to fire as an imminent threat.
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wrote on 19 Jul 2024, 12:16 last edited by
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wrote on 19 Jul 2024, 12:26 last edited by
It might have been a miracle that DJT turned his head when and how he did, but there was a veritable witches brew of errors and mistakes for the attempt to have gotten as far as it did.
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wrote on 19 Jul 2024, 12:29 last edited by
Yet, Trump stood up for the Secret Service agents last night.