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    xenon
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    #23

    I heard about someone who allegedly knew him say that he was a really bad shot and was embarrassed about it. Not sure if that's true at all.

    But this could be as simple as him going after the most high profile target in the world to disprove those who made fun of him.

    There doesn't have to be a political explanation.

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    • X xenon

      I heard about someone who allegedly knew him say that he was a really bad shot and was embarrassed about it. Not sure if that's true at all.

      But this could be as simple as him going after the most high profile target in the world to disprove those who made fun of him.

      There doesn't have to be a political explanation.

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      @xenon said in Thomas Crooks - what we know:

      I heard about someone who allegedly knew him say that he was a really bad shot and was embarrassed about it. Not sure if that's true at all.

      I've seen a rumor that he was thrown off the rifle club because he was such a bad shot.

      There doesn't have to be a political explanation.

      That's right.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        #25

        No signs…

        https://www.foxnews.com/us/neighbor-says-trump-shooters-family-had-no-political-signs-yard-parents-affiliations-surface

        The Brad

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          George K
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          How many 20-year olds have NO social media presence?

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

            No signs…

            https://www.foxnews.com/us/neighbor-says-trump-shooters-family-had-no-political-signs-yard-parents-affiliations-surface

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            @LuFins-Dad said in Thomas Crooks - what we know:

            No signs…

            Fox found a neighbor that said no, Newsweek found a neighbor that said yes.

            "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
            -Cormac McCarthy

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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              @LuFins-Dad said in Thomas Crooks - what we know:

              No signs…

              Fox found a neighbor that said no, Newsweek found a neighbor that said yes.

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              @jon-nyc said in Thomas Crooks - what we know:

              @LuFins-Dad said in Thomas Crooks - what we know:

              No signs…

              Fox found a neighbor that said no, Newsweek found a neighbor that said yes.

              Fox found 2, including the local captain for the Trump team that distributes the signs and fundraises. The other is an unidentified neighbor that said they noticed it several months ago, but nothing now… :eyeroll:

              The Brad

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              • HoraceH Horace

                One detects the faint whiff of hope in the air, hope against hope, that the attempted assassination of Trump can be blamed on Trump.

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                @Horace said in Thomas Crooks - what we know:

                One detects the faint whiff of hope in the air, hope against hope, that the attempted assassination of Trump can be blamed on Trump.

                No, one is choking on the vast plume of hope (assumption, really) that the assassination attempt can be blamed on the outgroup’s rhetoric even though there is not yet any evidence he was caught up in that.

                "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                -Cormac McCarthy

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                  I think the truth is that a sad, lonely young man made a very bad decision.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    That seem to be where things are pointing.

                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                    • MikM Mik

                      I think the truth is that a sad, lonely young man made a very bad decision.

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                      @Mik said in Thomas Crooks - what we know:

                      I think the truth is that a sad, lonely young man made a very bad decision.

                      Weird stuff. He clearly knew he would be killed - and that was at least part of his goal. He wanted to be remembered - and he achieved that as well.

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                        @Horace said in Thomas Crooks - what we know:

                        One detects the faint whiff of hope in the air, hope against hope, that the attempted assassination of Trump can be blamed on Trump.

                        No, one is choking on the vast plume of hope (assumption, really) that the assassination attempt can be blamed on the outgroup’s rhetoric even though there is not yet any evidence he was caught up in that.

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                        #33

                        @jon-nyc said in Thomas Crooks - what we know:

                        @Horace said in Thomas Crooks - what we know:

                        One detects the faint whiff of hope in the air, hope against hope, that the attempted assassination of Trump can be blamed on Trump.

                        No, one is choking on the vast plume of hope (assumption, really) that the assassination attempt can be blamed on the outgroup’s rhetoric even though there is not yet any evidence he was caught up in that.

                        There might be some projection there, as you are IMO more concerned with rhetorical talking points than most, and that concern extends to whether your out group has access to good rhetoric. Witness your wishcasting about a piece of glass hitting Trump rather than a bullet.

                        It’s not even that important what motivated a single arbitrarily crazy person to do something. The social effect of the rhetoric we are all surrounded with can hardly be judged by that, one way or another. We can each hold our own truths about whether the best of us express our goodness, and discernment of evil, with edgier and edgier hatred and disgust for Trump and his supporters. But the scent of the TDS patients is not quite as rosy as it once was.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                          Horace
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                          A more meaningful social datapoint might be observed in such things as MSNBC preemptively gagging its mainstream left talking heads, to prevent them from saying what we all know is in their hearts.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                          • HoraceH Horace

                            A more meaningful social datapoint might be observed in such things as MSNBC preemptively gagging its mainstream left talking heads, to prevent them from saying what we all know is in their hearts.

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                            @Horace

                            Witness your wishcasting about a piece of glass hitting Trump rather than a bullet.

                            George posted that. Minutes later I just reminded you we still don’t know what happened.

                            Want wishcasting? How many different people have helpfully reminded us that, even though he’s a registered republican, maybe his heart wasn’t in it.

                            "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                            -Cormac McCarthy

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                              @Horace

                              Witness your wishcasting about a piece of glass hitting Trump rather than a bullet.

                              George posted that. Minutes later I just reminded you we still don’t know what happened.

                              Want wishcasting? How many different people have helpfully reminded us that, even though he’s a registered republican, maybe his heart wasn’t in it.

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                              @jon-nyc said in Thomas Crooks - what we know:

                              @Horace

                              Witness your wishcasting about a piece of glass hitting Trump rather than a bullet.

                              George posted that. Minutes later I just reminded you we still don’t know what happened.

                              George posted as a curiosity and you became invested in it, because the rhetorical difference between “shot” and “hit by broken glass from a ricochet” was important to you. Nobody forced you to think of that as important.

                              Want wishcasting? How many different people have helpfully reminded us that, even though he’s a registered republican, maybe his heart wasn’t in it.

                              His motivation, the motivation of a kid of some arbitrarily minimal connection to reason and reality, does not form the basis of much of anything. Other than rhetoric. Some people are more heavily invested in rhetoric than others. Jan 6 insurrection much?

                              Education is extremely important.

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                                LuFins Dad
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                                @jon-nyc If Trump is “literally Hitler”, don’t you have a moral obligation to stop him any way possible?

                                The Brad

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                                  Apparently the parents (2 professional social workers and counselors) called the police hours before. They didn’t know what he was planning but knew something was wrong.
                                  https://www.foxnews.com/us/trump-shooters-parents-called-police-hours-before-assassination-attempt

                                  The Brad

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                                  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                    @jon-nyc If Trump is “literally Hitler”, don’t you have a moral obligation to stop him any way possible?

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                                    @LuFins-Dad said in Thomas Crooks - what we know:

                                    @jon-nyc If Trump is “literally Hitler”, don’t you have a moral obligation to stop him any way possible?

                                    One might believe that and feel that way. There’s no evidence crooks did.

                                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                                      George K
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                                      The ladies on The View are shocked, shocked that Crooks bought 50 rounds of ammunition.

                                      I'm told that's not enough to fill two AR-15 magazines.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • George KG George K

                                        The ladies on The View are shocked, shocked that Crooks bought 50 rounds of ammunition.

                                        I'm told that's not enough to fill two AR-15 magazines.

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                                        @George-K said in Thomas Crooks - what we know:

                                        The ladies on The View are shocked, shocked that Crooks bought 50 rounds of ammunition.

                                        I'm told that's not enough to fill two AR-15 magazines.

                                        They come in 10, 20 and 30 round capacities. Thirty is what most militaries use, so it's the most common. Magpul makes a very popular, affordable mag.

                                        Personally, I like E-lander 30 round mags. They're made in Israel, are milspec and metal.

                                        As for the ammo...

                                        I'm guessing he paid around $30 or so. Because he bought 50 rounds, it's probably a single box of milspec FMJ. You want the FMJ to defeat a vest.

                                        I heard one dumbass on PMSNBC waxing stupidic about the rifle bullet should have blown Trump's ear off. No, not with a soft point, but definitely not with a FMJ. They don't expand much in tissue, and definitely not in an ear.

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                          @jon-nyc If Trump is “literally Hitler”, don’t you have a moral obligation to stop him any way possible?

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                                          @LuFins-Dad said in Thomas Crooks - what we know:

                                          @jon-nyc If Trump is “literally Hitler”, don’t you have a moral obligation to stop him any way possible?

                                          Baked into TDS is some sort of subliminal, unspoken agreement that it is not to be taken seriously. Another way in which TDS is essentially infantile. A tantrum which is to be endured with calm serenity by the adults in the room.

                                          Education is extremely important.

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