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The Ten Commandments Required

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  • AxtremusA Axtremus

    @Jolly said in The Ten Commandments Required:

    @Axtremus said in The Ten Commandments Required:

    @Jolly said in The Ten Commandments Required:

    KJV translated it as "kill". It's actually "murder".

    Yet the Louisiana law uses the word "kill" anyway.

    And your point is?

    That the Louisiana legislature deliberately mean "kill" rather than "murder" in the law.

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    @Axtremus said in The Ten Commandments Required:

    @Jolly said in The Ten Commandments Required:

    @Axtremus said in The Ten Commandments Required:

    @Jolly said in The Ten Commandments Required:

    KJV translated it as "kill". It's actually "murder".

    Yet the Louisiana law uses the word "kill" anyway.

    And your point is?

    That the Louisiana legislature deliberately mean "kill" rather than "murder" in the law.

    Why don't you ask them?

    https://www.legis.la.gov/legis/HowDoI.aspx

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • MikM Mik

      @Doctor-Phibes that was Ax-like in its missing of the point. 😄

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      #47

      @Mik said in The Ten Commandments Required:

      @Doctor-Phibes that was Ax-like in its missing of the point. 😄

      Well, these guys are focusing on the apparent mis-translation of the original text by renowned witch-obsessed Scottish homosexual King James I, so I figured any old bollocks was open to discussion.

      I was only joking

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      • MikM Offline
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        Mik
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        #48

        Isn't it always? 😄

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • jon-nycJ Online
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          jon-nyc
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          #49

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          Only non-witches get due process.

          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

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            @jon-nyc said in The Ten Commandments Required:

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            Won't fly, the Louisiana law explicitly specifies the text that must be displayed.

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            • jon-nycJ Online
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              jon-nyc
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              #51

              After being educated by Advisory Opinions….

              The case isn’t as much of a slam dunk as I thought because the praying football coach case did strike down the old ‘Lemon test’ (named for a court case) that had invalidated similar laws in the past.

              Both Sarah and David think Louisiana loses in the end though. And if they win a similar law replacing the Ten Commandments with the five pillars of Islam would also be allowed.

              Go to about 41:30 in the most recent AO if you’re interested in details.

              Only non-witches get due process.

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              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

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                @jon-nyc said in The Ten Commandments Required:

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                Content in the realization that I’m the only one here that can read that.

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                • bachophileB bachophile

                  @jon-nyc said in The Ten Commandments Required:

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                  Content in the realization that I’m the only one here that can read that.

                  JollyJ Offline
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                  Jolly
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                  #53

                  @bachophile Ok, question : Do we really know what the vowels are in ancient Hebrew?

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    bachophile
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                    #54

                    Vowels are a later addition

                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_diacritics

                    I can’t say if Biblical Hebrew sounded the same, but the text is readily apparent and understandable

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                      George K
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                      So how did that Hungarian composer spell his name again?

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • George KG George K

                        So how did that Hungarian composer spell his name again?

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                        Renauda
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                        #56

                        @George-K

                        Which one? Lszt, Brtk, Kdl or Lgt?

                        Elbows up!

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                        • RenaudaR Renauda

                          @George-K

                          Which one? Lszt, Brtk, Kdl or Lgt?

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                          George K
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                          @Renauda said in The Ten Commandments Required:

                          @George-K

                          Which one? Lszt, Brtk, Kdl or Lgt?

                          The second, of course.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            https://babylonbee.com/news/keep-religion-out-of-our-schools-says-teacher-with-blm-pride-flags-in-classroom

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                            MN — Following Louisiana's recent addition of the Ten Commandments to school classrooms, sources close to George Floyd Elementary reported that a teacher who keeps BLM and Pride flags prominently displayed in her classroom demanded that the government "keep all religion out of our schools."

                            Eyewitnesses in the classroom said indigenous history and genderqueer theory teacher Ladasha Sullet was "absolutely flabbergasted" to hear about Louisiana's new mandate and immediately started shouting about how the government's job is to "keep any and all religions out of the classroom, not shove them down children's throats."

                            "That's a total violation of the separation of the church and state!" exclaimed Sullet, momentarily pausing her lecture on the femmeboy branch of genderfluidity to make sure her fourth-grade students properly understood her position on the issue. "There is absolutely no call for any sort of religion to be represented or displayed in a public school classroom — ever! Stop preaching at us!"

                            Students reported that Sullet continued her rant about not letting religion into public schools for the rest of the class period, then dismissed class after carefully adjusting her Pride flag and genuflecting before a small portrait of George Floyd she keeps as a shrine on her desk.

                            At publishing time, Sullet had instituted daily readings from Mao's Little Red Book for her students after teaching them how dangerous and destructive it would be for any teacher to read students religious books like the Bible.

                            The Brad

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                              George K
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                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-807712

                                Three Jewish families are among a group of nine Louisiana families with children in public schools who have filed a suit in federal court challenging a new state law that requires the Ten Commandments be displayed in all public school classrooms.

                                The lawsuit — filed on the families’ behalf by Americans United for the Separation of Church and State, the American Civil Liberties Union and the Freedom from Religion Foundation — argues that the law enacted last week violates the First Amendment.

                                Specifically, the complaint says that the language of the law “Approves and Prescribes One Particular Version of the Ten Commandments, to Which Many People Do Not Subscribe,” violating the Constitution’s prohibitions on establishing an official religion and prohibiting free exercise of religion.

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                                • JollyJ Offline
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                                  About as Jewish as Farakan. 😄

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                    https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-807712

                                    Three Jewish families are among a group of nine Louisiana families with children in public schools who have filed a suit in federal court challenging a new state law that requires the Ten Commandments be displayed in all public school classrooms.

                                    The lawsuit — filed on the families’ behalf by Americans United for the Separation of Church and State, the American Civil Liberties Union and the Freedom from Religion Foundation — argues that the law enacted last week violates the First Amendment.

                                    Specifically, the complaint says that the language of the law “Approves and Prescribes One Particular Version of the Ten Commandments, to Which Many People Do Not Subscribe,” violating the Constitution’s prohibitions on establishing an official religion and prohibiting free exercise of religion.

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                                    @taiwan_girl

                                    Here’s another piece on the pending lawsuit:

                                    The legal action points out that a central pillar of the new law – the claim that there is a long tradition linking the Ten Commandments to public education in the US – is based on a fabrication. HB71 quotes James Madison, the fourth president, as saying: “We have staked the whole future of our new nation … upon the capacity of each of ourselves to govern ourselves according to the moral principles of the 10 Commandments.”

                                    That quote is fictitious; it is to be found in none of Madison’s writings or speeches. It appears to have been drawn from a conspiracy theory popularized by the late rightwing talk show host Rush Limbaugh.

                                    Full article:

                                    https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jun/24/louisiana-ten-commandments-schools-lawsuit

                                    Elbows up!

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                                      jon-nyc
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                                      #63

                                      Even Catholics and Protestants have (slightly) different versions of the commandments.

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

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                                        Not much different. Their is a little difference in bible exegesis.

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                          Even Catholics and Protestants have (slightly) different versions of the commandments.

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                                          @jon-nyc said in The Ten Commandments Required:

                                          Even Catholics and Protestants have (slightly) different versions of the commandments.

                                          I think the main differences are in which ones they choose to ignore.

                                          I was only joking

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