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The Ten Commandments Required

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    Jolly
    wrote on 21 Jun 2024, 06:14 last edited by
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    φονεύσεις

    That would have been the word used in the Septuagint in Exodus 20:13. Which also is the shortest commandment.

    KJV translated it as "kill". It's actually "murder".

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      bachophile
      wrote on 21 Jun 2024, 07:32 last edited by
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      If it’s any help, the Hebrew is “murder”. “ Kill”would be a different verb as it is in English.

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        Doctor Phibes
        wrote on 21 Jun 2024, 10:37 last edited by
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        Murder is something I've always tried to avoid taking part in. We actually didn't need a sign up at our school to point out that this was frowned upon, but I guess you chaps might need more of a reminder, what with everything.

        Maybe there should be a lot more signs. 'Thou shalt not pee in they pants!', 'Thou shalt not fiddle about with thyself, even whilst ye attractive Miss Walsh is teaching thee ye olde trigonometree'

        It couldn't hurt, right?

        I was only joking

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        • D Doctor Phibes
          21 Jun 2024, 10:37

          Murder is something I've always tried to avoid taking part in. We actually didn't need a sign up at our school to point out that this was frowned upon, but I guess you chaps might need more of a reminder, what with everything.

          Maybe there should be a lot more signs. 'Thou shalt not pee in they pants!', 'Thou shalt not fiddle about with thyself, even whilst ye attractive Miss Walsh is teaching thee ye olde trigonometree'

          It couldn't hurt, right?

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          Mik
          wrote on 21 Jun 2024, 10:46 last edited by
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          @Doctor-Phibes that was Ax-like in its missing of the point. 😄

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • J Jolly
            21 Jun 2024, 06:14

            φονεύσεις

            That would have been the word used in the Septuagint in Exodus 20:13. Which also is the shortest commandment.

            KJV translated it as "kill". It's actually "murder".

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            Axtremus
            wrote on 21 Jun 2024, 10:52 last edited by
            #43

            @Jolly said in The Ten Commandments Required:

            KJV translated it as "kill". It's actually "murder".

            Yet the Louisiana law uses the word "kill" anyway.

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            • A Axtremus
              21 Jun 2024, 10:52

              @Jolly said in The Ten Commandments Required:

              KJV translated it as "kill". It's actually "murder".

              Yet the Louisiana law uses the word "kill" anyway.

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              Jolly
              wrote on 21 Jun 2024, 11:21 last edited by
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              @Axtremus said in The Ten Commandments Required:

              @Jolly said in The Ten Commandments Required:

              KJV translated it as "kill". It's actually "murder".

              Yet the Louisiana law uses the word "kill" anyway.

              And your point is?

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • J Jolly
                21 Jun 2024, 11:21

                @Axtremus said in The Ten Commandments Required:

                @Jolly said in The Ten Commandments Required:

                KJV translated it as "kill". It's actually "murder".

                Yet the Louisiana law uses the word "kill" anyway.

                And your point is?

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                Axtremus
                wrote on 21 Jun 2024, 12:34 last edited by
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                @Jolly said in The Ten Commandments Required:

                @Axtremus said in The Ten Commandments Required:

                @Jolly said in The Ten Commandments Required:

                KJV translated it as "kill". It's actually "murder".

                Yet the Louisiana law uses the word "kill" anyway.

                And your point is?

                That the Louisiana legislature deliberately mean "kill" rather than "murder" in the law.

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                • A Axtremus
                  21 Jun 2024, 12:34

                  @Jolly said in The Ten Commandments Required:

                  @Axtremus said in The Ten Commandments Required:

                  @Jolly said in The Ten Commandments Required:

                  KJV translated it as "kill". It's actually "murder".

                  Yet the Louisiana law uses the word "kill" anyway.

                  And your point is?

                  That the Louisiana legislature deliberately mean "kill" rather than "murder" in the law.

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                  Jolly
                  wrote on 21 Jun 2024, 13:20 last edited by
                  #46

                  @Axtremus said in The Ten Commandments Required:

                  @Jolly said in The Ten Commandments Required:

                  @Axtremus said in The Ten Commandments Required:

                  @Jolly said in The Ten Commandments Required:

                  KJV translated it as "kill". It's actually "murder".

                  Yet the Louisiana law uses the word "kill" anyway.

                  And your point is?

                  That the Louisiana legislature deliberately mean "kill" rather than "murder" in the law.

                  Why don't you ask them?

                  https://www.legis.la.gov/legis/HowDoI.aspx

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • M Mik
                    21 Jun 2024, 10:46

                    @Doctor-Phibes that was Ax-like in its missing of the point. 😄

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                    Doctor Phibes
                    wrote on 21 Jun 2024, 14:27 last edited by
                    #47

                    @Mik said in The Ten Commandments Required:

                    @Doctor-Phibes that was Ax-like in its missing of the point. 😄

                    Well, these guys are focusing on the apparent mis-translation of the original text by renowned witch-obsessed Scottish homosexual King James I, so I figured any old bollocks was open to discussion.

                    I was only joking

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                      Mik
                      wrote on 21 Jun 2024, 15:47 last edited by
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                      Isn't it always? 😄

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        jon-nyc
                        wrote on 21 Jun 2024, 16:48 last edited by
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                        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                        -Cormac McCarthy

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                          21 Jun 2024, 16:48

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                          Axtremus
                          wrote on 21 Jun 2024, 16:50 last edited by
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                          @jon-nyc said in The Ten Commandments Required:

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                          Won't fly, the Louisiana law explicitly specifies the text that must be displayed.

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                            jon-nyc
                            wrote on 21 Jun 2024, 16:51 last edited by
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                            After being educated by Advisory Opinions….

                            The case isn’t as much of a slam dunk as I thought because the praying football coach case did strike down the old ‘Lemon test’ (named for a court case) that had invalidated similar laws in the past.

                            Both Sarah and David think Louisiana loses in the end though. And if they win a similar law replacing the Ten Commandments with the five pillars of Islam would also be allowed.

                            Go to about 41:30 in the most recent AO if you’re interested in details.

                            "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                            -Cormac McCarthy

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                              21 Jun 2024, 16:48

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                              bachophile
                              wrote on 21 Jun 2024, 18:00 last edited by
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                              @jon-nyc said in The Ten Commandments Required:

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                              Content in the realization that I’m the only one here that can read that.

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                              • B bachophile
                                21 Jun 2024, 18:00

                                @jon-nyc said in The Ten Commandments Required:

                                IMG_7714.jpeg

                                Content in the realization that I’m the only one here that can read that.

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                                Jolly
                                wrote on 21 Jun 2024, 18:49 last edited by
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                                @bachophile Ok, question : Do we really know what the vowels are in ancient Hebrew?

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  bachophile
                                  wrote on 22 Jun 2024, 05:06 last edited by bachophile
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                                  Vowels are a later addition

                                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_diacritics

                                  I can’t say if Biblical Hebrew sounded the same, but the text is readily apparent and understandable

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                                    George K
                                    wrote on 22 Jun 2024, 11:49 last edited by
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                                    So how did that Hungarian composer spell his name again?

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    • G George K
                                      22 Jun 2024, 11:49

                                      So how did that Hungarian composer spell his name again?

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                                      Renauda
                                      wrote on 22 Jun 2024, 13:00 last edited by Renauda
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                                      @George-K

                                      Which one? Lszt, Brtk, Kdl or Lgt?

                                      Elbows up!

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                                      • R Renauda
                                        22 Jun 2024, 13:00

                                        @George-K

                                        Which one? Lszt, Brtk, Kdl or Lgt?

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                                        George K
                                        wrote on 22 Jun 2024, 13:14 last edited by
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                                        @Renauda said in The Ten Commandments Required:

                                        @George-K

                                        Which one? Lszt, Brtk, Kdl or Lgt?

                                        The second, of course.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          LuFins Dad
                                          wrote on 23 Jun 2024, 01:01 last edited by LuFins Dad
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                                          https://babylonbee.com/news/keep-religion-out-of-our-schools-says-teacher-with-blm-pride-flags-in-classroom

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                                          MN — Following Louisiana's recent addition of the Ten Commandments to school classrooms, sources close to George Floyd Elementary reported that a teacher who keeps BLM and Pride flags prominently displayed in her classroom demanded that the government "keep all religion out of our schools."

                                          Eyewitnesses in the classroom said indigenous history and genderqueer theory teacher Ladasha Sullet was "absolutely flabbergasted" to hear about Louisiana's new mandate and immediately started shouting about how the government's job is to "keep any and all religions out of the classroom, not shove them down children's throats."

                                          "That's a total violation of the separation of the church and state!" exclaimed Sullet, momentarily pausing her lecture on the femmeboy branch of genderfluidity to make sure her fourth-grade students properly understood her position on the issue. "There is absolutely no call for any sort of religion to be represented or displayed in a public school classroom — ever! Stop preaching at us!"

                                          Students reported that Sullet continued her rant about not letting religion into public schools for the rest of the class period, then dismissed class after carefully adjusting her Pride flag and genuflecting before a small portrait of George Floyd she keeps as a shrine on her desk.

                                          At publishing time, Sullet had instituted daily readings from Mao's Little Red Book for her students after teaching them how dangerous and destructive it would be for any teacher to read students religious books like the Bible.

                                          The Brad

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