Yep, and believe in Covenant Marriage, too.

[Mik]

I believe in it for me, I just don't want to force it on everyone else.

[xenon]

I'm more worried that the institution is falling out of favor altogether for a portion of the population.

[Mik]

We do seem to be careening toward selfishness, yes. But I think that will change. Eventually just about everyone figures out that a big component of happiness is having something more important to you than yourself. The pursuit of one's own pleasure is ultimately unsatisfying.

[Jolly]

@xenon said in Yep, and believe in Covenant Marriage, too.:

I'm more worried that the institution is falling out of favor altogether for a portion of the population.

Could be.

First, a bit about Covenant Marriages:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covenant_marriage

It's not as crazy as many people think. Mandatory pre-marriage counseling and couples counseling when filing for divorce. Divorce timeframe based on certain factors.

Now, divorce in general...I think it goes along with good premarital counseling. Nobody is saying to do away with divorce, they just want to add a few more hoops... Counseling, a waiting period except in some cases, etc. Yes, it's probably a minority, but some marriages are better being salvaged...It's better for the individual and better for society.

[Doctor Phibes]

If you don't want to get divorced, then don't get divorced.

Don't tell me what to do with my life.

[Jolly]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Yep, and believe in Covenant Marriage, too.:

If you don't want to get divorced, then don't get divorced.

Don't tell me what to do with my life.

People do it all the time through ordinances, laws and tax codes.

That has already left the barn.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Jolly said in Yep, and believe in Covenant Marriage, too.:

People do it all the time through ordinances, laws and tax codes.

That has already left the barn.

So much for liberty and and the supposedly conservative value of minimizing government interference in things they have no business controlling.

You're actually in favour of increasing the power those cunts have over my life?

[LuFins Dad]

1. It’s a political nonstarter. It goes nowhere. No chance of succeeding.

2. it actually damages the party. The blowback of this position drives more voters against the party, including some republicans.

3. Even if by some chance you managed to succeed to get it through, the result will not be what you think it is. It will just result in couples forming even looser attachments.

This horse has left the barn and to pursue these policies at this point is utter stupidity
.

[Doctor Phibes]

Expecting people to live in misery because they can't decide which one is to blame probably isn't a big vote-winner.

[LuFins Dad]

And I personally believe that marriage has been damaged and divorces are too easy, and that has had a huge negative effect on society. But I also believe Vox isn’t completely wrong on this one, either.

[Renauda]

Personal relationships including marriage, is a state of mind between two people.

Pseudo-conservative and other sway backed busybodies claiming religious privilege should keep their God-damned noses out of people’s private lives.

[Doctor Phibes]

Opponents of gay marriage have for quite some time used the argument that 'marriage isn't something the government should get involved with', and that it's primarily a religious undertaking.

Apparently, this is no longer the case.

[Copper]

@Renauda said in Yep, and believe in Covenant Marriage, too.:

marriage, is a state of mind between two people.

If that was true there would be no headlines about this.

Marriage is something defined by and maintained by the state. Like anything else the majority elects legislators to deal with it.

And it is not something that was done to stick the government's nose into people's business. Marriage is something that is desirable for the state. Stable relationships and children are important to the state. This is an institution worth protecting.

Marriage also has a religious tradition that is important to many and non-religious people should keep their God-damned noses out of it.

[Renauda]

Are you finished?

[Jolly]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Yep, and believe in Covenant Marriage, too.:

Expecting people to live in misery because they can't decide which one is to blame probably isn't a big vote-winner.

Don't see where anything proposed condemns people to live in misery.

[LuFins Dad]

See how well the idea is being received here? I’m sure it will be a big winner in the general public, though.

That was sarcasm, btw.

[LuFins Dad]

How does Donald and Ivanka. Marla Melania feel about it?

[Jolly]

I dunno.

Are we banning divorce? Nope, didn't think so. Just contemplating making it harder than changing your socks.

[Doctor Phibes]

@LuFins-Dad said in Yep, and believe in Covenant Marriage, too.:

How does Donald and Ivanka. Marla Melania feel about it?

Those weren't no-fault divorces. They just got tired of having to listen to him read the Bible to them for 4 hours every night.

[Axtremus]

@Jolly said in Yep, and believe in Covenant Marriage, too.:

Just contemplating making it harder than changing your socks.

Just charge a nominal filing fee that is slightly more expensive than a typical new pair of socks from Target and already you would make it harder than changing your socks. There really is no reason to go the extreme of government overreach like outlawing "no fault" divorce to achieve your rather modest stated goal of making it harder than changing your socks.

But, really, as a freedom loving American, I would much rather the state stays out of the marriage thing entirely.