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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    #225

    Black and Hispanic unemployment is at a record low

    There have never been more Black and Hispanic Americans in the workforce, Friday’s Labor Department job report showed.

    The jobless rate for Hispanics hit a record low of 3.9% in September, while African Americans maintained its lowest rate ever, 5.5%.

    Oh, wait. That was from 2019. My bad...

    Jobless rates rise in May for all racial groups except white Americans

    White unemployment remained at 3.5% last month, making the demographic group the only one that didn’t experience a rise in jobless rates from April to May. It also went against the overall unemployment rate, which edged higher to 4% from 3.9%.

    Meanwhile, the jobless rate for Black Americans rose to 6.1% from 5.6%. For Asian and Hispanic workers, respectively, it rose to 3.1% from 2.8%, and to 5% from 4.8%.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • AxtremusA Offline
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      Axtremus
      wrote on last edited by
      #226

      About doing "multiple gig jobs" vs. "one full time job," while "one full time job" is easier and more more predictable day-to-day, the "multiple gig jobs" model is arguably lower risk long term because you won't be completely out of work and out of income because an employer goes bust or terminate you all of a sudden.

      Yeah, the Industrial Revolution somehow led to an abundance of jobs that are steady year round, it lifted the standard of living for the masses. It's good to have "one steady full time job", it's good to not have to worry about what to do with your next eight hours (because your employer planned it out for you). But why would one expect that model to last forever?

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      • JollyJ Offline
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        Jolly
        wrote on last edited by
        #227

        Gig jobs do not normally come with benefits.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • JollyJ Jolly

          Gig jobs do not normally come with benefits.

          AxtremusA Offline
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          Axtremus
          wrote on last edited by
          #228

          @Jolly said in Bidenomics At Work:

          Gig jobs do not normally come with benefits.

          That we need to fix with single payer universal healthcare. Single payer universal healthcare is the right solution regardless of whether the labor pool is mostly “full time” or mostly “gig” workers.

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          • AxtremusA Axtremus

            @Jolly said in Bidenomics At Work:

            Gig jobs do not normally come with benefits.

            That we need to fix with single payer universal healthcare. Single payer universal healthcare is the right solution regardless of whether the labor pool is mostly “full time” or mostly “gig” workers.

            LuFins DadL Offline
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            LuFins Dad
            wrote on last edited by
            #229

            @Axtremus said in Bidenomics At Work:

            @Jolly said in Bidenomics At Work:

            Gig jobs do not normally come with benefits.

            That we need to fix with single payer universal healthcare. Single payer universal healthcare is the right solution regardless of whether the labor pool is mostly “full time” or mostly “gig” workers.

            Great, I nominate you to be the single payer.

            The Brad

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            • AxtremusA Axtremus

              @Jolly said in Bidenomics At Work:

              Gig jobs do not normally come with benefits.

              That we need to fix with single payer universal healthcare. Single payer universal healthcare is the right solution regardless of whether the labor pool is mostly “full time” or mostly “gig” workers.

              CopperC Online
              CopperC Online
              Copper
              wrote on last edited by
              #230

              @Axtremus said in Bidenomics At Work:

              single payer universal healthcare

              That is obamacare.

              Of course additional insurance options exist for those who want to pay. More than just the single payer is not forbidden.

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              • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                @Axtremus said in Bidenomics At Work:

                @Jolly said in Bidenomics At Work:

                Gig jobs do not normally come with benefits.

                That we need to fix with single payer universal healthcare. Single payer universal healthcare is the right solution regardless of whether the labor pool is mostly “full time” or mostly “gig” workers.

                Great, I nominate you to be the single payer.

                JollyJ Offline
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                Jolly
                wrote on last edited by
                #231

                @LuFins-Dad said in Bidenomics At Work:

                @Axtremus said in Bidenomics At Work:

                @Jolly said in Bidenomics At Work:

                Gig jobs do not normally come with benefits.

                That we need to fix with single payer universal healthcare. Single payer universal healthcare is the right solution regardless of whether the labor pool is mostly “full time” or mostly “gig” workers.

                Great, I nominate you to be the single payer.

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                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • George KG Offline
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                  George K
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #232

                  D2 is down here from across the CheddarCurtain. We decided to order in Italian beef sammiches from my favorite place, Buona Beef. We last did this about a year ago.

                  5 pieces of bread
                  Italian beef
                  Sweet Peppers
                  Hot Peppers
                  Potato salad.

                  $44.95

                  Today...

                  Screenshot 2024-06-08 at 5.18.11 PM.png

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • LuFins DadL Offline
                    LuFins DadL Offline
                    LuFins Dad
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #233

                    So it was 1¢ less?

                    The Brad

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                    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                      So it was 1¢ less?

                      George KG Offline
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                      George K
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #234

                      @LuFins-Dad said in Bidenomics At Work:

                      So it was 1¢ less?

                      Same price, one less bowl of peppers (I used to get sweet AND hot) one less piece of bread (I used to get five), and probably less italian beef.

                      Shrinkflation.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

                      LuFins DadL 1 Reply Last reply
                      • George KG George K

                        @LuFins-Dad said in Bidenomics At Work:

                        So it was 1¢ less?

                        Same price, one less bowl of peppers (I used to get sweet AND hot) one less piece of bread (I used to get five), and probably less italian beef.

                        Shrinkflation.

                        LuFins DadL Offline
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                        LuFins Dad
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #235

                        @George-K said in Bidenomics At Work:

                        @LuFins-Dad said in Bidenomics At Work:

                        So it was 1¢ less?

                        Same price, one less bowl of peppers (I used to get sweet AND hot) one less piece of bread (I used to get five), and probably less italian beef.

                        Shrinkflation.

                        Ahhh, I didn’t look closely enough at the packages.

                        The Brad

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                        • George KG Offline
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                          George K
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #236

                          BLS Jobs Report

                          https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf

                          The revisions:

                          The change in total nonfarm payroll employment for April was revised down by 57,000, from +165,000 to +108,000, and the change for May was revised down by 54,000, from +272,000 to +218,000. With these revisions, employment in April and May combined is 111,000 lower than previously reported. (Monthly revisions result from additional reports received from businesses and government agencies since the last published estimates and from the recalculation of seasonal factors.)

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • George KG George K

                            BLS Jobs Report

                            https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf

                            The revisions:

                            The change in total nonfarm payroll employment for April was revised down by 57,000, from +165,000 to +108,000, and the change for May was revised down by 54,000, from +272,000 to +218,000. With these revisions, employment in April and May combined is 111,000 lower than previously reported. (Monthly revisions result from additional reports received from businesses and government agencies since the last published estimates and from the recalculation of seasonal factors.)

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                            taiwan_girl
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #237

                            @George-K Thats a good thing, right? "Cooler" economy means less pressure on keeping interest rates high?

                            This isn't actually something very new. Been happening for years, not just under President Biden.

                            https://www.bls.gov/opub/btn/volume-2/revisions-to-jobs-numbers.htm

                            The initial estimate of job change for a month is based on the growth or loss of jobs at the businesses that have reported their data. Generally, BLS assumes that the employment situation at businesses that had reported is representative of the situation at those that had not yet reported. BLS continues to collect outstanding reports from the businesses in the sample as it prepares a second and then a third estimate for the month. With each subsequent estimate, more businesses have provided their information. In 2012, the average collection rate at the time of the third estimate for a month was 94.6 percent. (See chart 1.)

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                            So why doesn’t BLS wait until it has all the reports to make the estimate and avoid revisions? Users of the data are intensely interested in the earliest possible read on labor market developments, and experience suggests that the initial estimate is generally very good. For example, in 2012, the average monthly employment change using the first estimate would have been +142,000, compared with a monthly average change of +165,000 using the third estimate. (See table 1.) Nevertheless, it is true that in some months, revisions are large enough that they change the users’ perspectives on the current state of the economy. In November 2012, for example, the initial estimate of over-the-month change was +146,000, while the third estimate was +247,000.

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                            • AxtremusA Offline
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                              Axtremus
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                              #238

                              https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/07/28/homeless-lack-of-affordable-housing-economy/

                              Article on people who have jobs (even full time jobs) and are still homeless anyway (often due to rent being too high/unaffordable).

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                              • JollyJ Offline
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                                Jolly
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #239

                                Because Biden jacked the interest rates and slowed the housing industry, coupled with a decrease in real wages during his administration?

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                  About doing "multiple gig jobs" vs. "one full time job," while "one full time job" is easier and more more predictable day-to-day, the "multiple gig jobs" model is arguably lower risk long term because you won't be completely out of work and out of income because an employer goes bust or terminate you all of a sudden.

                                  Yeah, the Industrial Revolution somehow led to an abundance of jobs that are steady year round, it lifted the standard of living for the masses. It's good to have "one steady full time job", it's good to not have to worry about what to do with your next eight hours (because your employer planned it out for you). But why would one expect that model to last forever?

                                  Aqua LetiferA Offline
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                                  Aqua Letifer
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                                  #240

                                  @Axtremus said in Bidenomics At Work:

                                  About doing "multiple gig jobs" vs. "one full time job," while "one full time job" is easier and more more predictable day-to-day, the "multiple gig jobs" model is arguably lower risk long term because you won't be completely out of work and out of income because an employer goes bust or terminate you all of a sudden.

                                  Ax, have you ever supported yourself through multiple gig jobs? I'd be very interested in hearing about your experiences.

                                  Please love yourself.

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                                  • JollyJ Jolly

                                    Because Biden jacked the interest rates and slowed the housing industry, coupled with a decrease in real wages during his administration?

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                                    taiwan_girl
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                                    #241

                                    @Jolly said in Bidenomics At Work:

                                    Biden jacked the interest rates

                                    I am pretty sure the US Central Bank is independent. One of the great things about it is that it has been able to maintain its independence, and (mostly) avoids politics,

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                                    • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                      @Jolly said in Bidenomics At Work:

                                      Biden jacked the interest rates

                                      I am pretty sure the US Central Bank is independent. One of the great things about it is that it has been able to maintain its independence, and (mostly) avoids politics,

                                      JollyJ Offline
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                                      Jolly
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #242

                                      @taiwan_girl said in Bidenomics At Work:

                                      @Jolly said in Bidenomics At Work:

                                      Biden jacked the interest rates

                                      I am pretty sure the US Central Bank is independent. One of the great things about it is that it has been able to maintain its independence, and (mostly) avoids politics,

                                      You dump trillions of 💵 into the economy, while racking up two trillion 💵 deficits and a rise in interest rates is a certainty.

                                      From Heritage...

                                      https://www.heritage.org/debt/commentary/the-lefts-7-trillion-lie-biden-far-outpaces-trump-racking-the-national-debt

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        taiwan_girl
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                                        #243

                                        IMG_1688.jpg

                                        Money Supply
                                        Jan 2017. $13.2
                                        Jan 2021. $19.3
                                        %change = 46.2%

                                        Jan 2021. $19.3
                                        Jul 2024. $21.0
                                        %change = 8.8%

                                        I am not an economist but I would hazard a guess that the period from Jan 2017-Jan 2021 had a larger impact on the economy (inflation, interest rates) than the period from Jan 2021 - Jul 2024.

                                        The US economy is like a huge ship. You can start to turn the "ship" but it takes a long long time to make that turn.

                                        That is why I have say many many times before. The president gets too much credit and too much blame because people only look at their term as if economic things that happen before and after their time have nothing to do with them.

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                                          jon-nyc
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                                          #244

                                          Indeed. The traditional conservative view of inflation would peg this clearly on the increase of the money supply in the spring of 2020. Precisely as Milton Friedman’s theory predicted, inflation increased dramatically 18 months later.

                                          In sober moments Jolly admits this and makes weak noises about the perception of the electorate.

                                          You were warned.

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