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The Karen Read Murder Trial

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    George K
    wrote on 5 Jun 2024, 12:28 last edited by
    #30

    There was no blood found on the car.

    One attorney (she's a defense attorney in WA state who also does appellate work) said, "Blood seeps into the crevices of things like nuts and bolts or other joints that aren't completely sealed. This is why it is so difficult to remove blood evidence just by surface cleaning; in many cases you'd need to disassemble an item to clean it of all blood traces."

    "t’s why the vehicles in vehicular homicides are like “rolling crime scenes” when directly involved in causing a death, transporting a body & even when transporting a murder weapon (or other evidence) containing trace blood."

    Look at the pic of the jacket - all that blood, and none on the car?

    Then, there's the magical hair.

    Forensic examiner found a hair on the side of the SUV - I believe she said it was a human hair, but not proven to be the victim's. It was on the side of the vehicle. She was able to remove the hair with a pair of tweezers.

    Screenshot 2024-06-05 at 7.25.52 AM.png

    This photo was taken in the police station garage.

    After the car had been driven from the scene to the defendant's parents' house, after it had been loaded onto a tow truck, after it had been driven about 40 minutes.

    In a snowstorm, in Boston.

    Sticky hair, eh?

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • G George K
      5 Jun 2024, 12:28

      There was no blood found on the car.

      One attorney (she's a defense attorney in WA state who also does appellate work) said, "Blood seeps into the crevices of things like nuts and bolts or other joints that aren't completely sealed. This is why it is so difficult to remove blood evidence just by surface cleaning; in many cases you'd need to disassemble an item to clean it of all blood traces."

      "t’s why the vehicles in vehicular homicides are like “rolling crime scenes” when directly involved in causing a death, transporting a body & even when transporting a murder weapon (or other evidence) containing trace blood."

      Look at the pic of the jacket - all that blood, and none on the car?

      Then, there's the magical hair.

      Forensic examiner found a hair on the side of the SUV - I believe she said it was a human hair, but not proven to be the victim's. It was on the side of the vehicle. She was able to remove the hair with a pair of tweezers.

      Screenshot 2024-06-05 at 7.25.52 AM.png

      This photo was taken in the police station garage.

      After the car had been driven from the scene to the defendant's parents' house, after it had been loaded onto a tow truck, after it had been driven about 40 minutes.

      In a snowstorm, in Boston.

      Sticky hair, eh?

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      George K
      wrote on 5 Jun 2024, 12:54 last edited by
      #31

      @George-K said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:

      After the car had been driven from the scene to the defendant's parents' house, after it had been loaded onto a tow truck, after it had been driven about 40 minutes.

      I was off. It was driven from 34 Fairview, to DIghton, and then back to Canton. In the snow.

      Screenshot 2024-06-05 at 7.53.07 AM.png

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        jon-nyc
        wrote on 5 Jun 2024, 13:50 last edited by
        #32

        At minimum she’s guilty of being a Karen. Can’t we just lock her up for that?

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        • J jon-nyc
          5 Jun 2024, 13:50

          At minimum she’s guilty of being a Karen. Can’t we just lock her up for that?

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          George K
          wrote on 5 Jun 2024, 14:12 last edited by
          #33

          @jon-nyc said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:

          At minimum she’s guilty of being a Karen. Can’t we just lock her up for that?

          For sure.

          But the other consideration...WJHT?

          image.jpeg

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            jon-nyc
            wrote on 5 Jun 2024, 14:13 last edited by
            #34

            @George-K

            The one on the left, sure.

            Only non-witches get due process.

            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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              George K
              wrote on 7 Jun 2024, 20:46 last edited by
              #35

              It gets better.

              After O'Keefe's body is found, and the car is towed all over Massachusetts, it arrives at the police station. There are no photos of the passenger-side rear taillight being damaged

              State Trooper testifies that this video (which was miraculously found days ago) is a fair and accurate representation of the scene in the garage. Note, the passenger tail light is supposedly visible, though it's impossible to tell if there's any damage to it.

              Screenshot 2024-06-07 at 3.35.35 PM.png

              Look at the lettering on the police car closer to the camera. Notice anything? Yeah, the lettering is backward.

              The entire video has been (or recorded) flipped, so it APPEARS we're looking at the passenger side, but we're not. It's the driver's side.

              So, now that we know that, here's the video of what it ACTUALLY looked like in the sallyport.

              Look at 0:07 to 0:24 or so...what's going on on the passenger's side?

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                Jolly
                wrote on 7 Jun 2024, 22:42 last edited by
                #36

                Never mind. The Just-Us Department needs to investigate and arrest a couple more 80 year-old grandmothers....

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

                Doctor PhibesD 1 Reply Last reply 7 Jun 2024, 23:13
                • JollyJ Jolly
                  7 Jun 2024, 22:42

                  Never mind. The Just-Us Department needs to investigate and arrest a couple more 80 year-old grandmothers....

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                  Doctor Phibes
                  wrote on 7 Jun 2024, 23:13 last edited by Doctor Phibes 6 Jul 2024, 23:13
                  #37

                  @Jolly said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:

                  Never mind. The Just-Us Department needs to investigate and arrest a couple more 80 year-old grandmothers....

                  We definitely need more discussions on that, so let's try and hijack this rather interesting topic?

                  I was only joking

                  JollyJ 1 Reply Last reply 7 Jun 2024, 23:22
                  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes
                    7 Jun 2024, 23:13

                    @Jolly said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:

                    Never mind. The Just-Us Department needs to investigate and arrest a couple more 80 year-old grandmothers....

                    We definitely need more discussions on that, so let's try and hijack this rather interesting topic?

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                    Jolly
                    wrote on 7 Jun 2024, 23:22 last edited by
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                    @Doctor-Phibes said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:

                    @Jolly said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:

                    Never mind. The Just-Us Department needs to investigate and arrest a couple more 80 year-old grandmothers....

                    We definitely need more discussions on that, so let's try and hijack this rather interesting topic?

                    I think it's part of this thread topic. The DOJ and specifically the FBI...Well, this is a basic part of their mission, to make sure local and state cops do not violate victim's civil rights or corrupt the justice system. A lot of time, effort and money has been spent by Justice in the last few years, chasing things that are really on the periphery of what they ought to be doing.

                    There is only so much time, money and resources available. Take care of the big things first.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • G George K
                      22 May 2024, 00:34

                      @taiwan_girl said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:

                      Yes. Not sure how it happens, but it has happened to me before.

                      One of the witnesses claims that he fell asleep with his phone (ahem) in his bed, and then butt-dialed a friend.

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                      LuFins Dad
                      wrote on 7 Jun 2024, 23:39 last edited by
                      #39

                      @George-K said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:

                      @taiwan_girl said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:

                      Yes. Not sure how it happens, but it has happened to me before.

                      One of the witnesses claims that he fell asleep with his phone (ahem) in his bed, and then butt-dialed a friend.

                      Butt-dialing is now just a catch all for accidentally called. I’ve done it with my phone in my pocket.

                      The Brad

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                      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad
                        7 Jun 2024, 23:39

                        @George-K said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:

                        @taiwan_girl said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:

                        Yes. Not sure how it happens, but it has happened to me before.

                        One of the witnesses claims that he fell asleep with his phone (ahem) in his bed, and then butt-dialed a friend.

                        Butt-dialing is now just a catch all for accidentally called. I’ve done it with my phone in my pocket.

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                        George K
                        wrote on 7 Jun 2024, 23:50 last edited by George K 6 Jul 2024, 23:51
                        #40

                        @LuFins-Dad said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:

                        I’ve done it with my phone in my pocket.

                        At 2 AM?

                        With your phone on the nightstand?

                        When you were testified that you were asleep?

                        And the person you buttdialed happened to return your buttdial, with the calls lasting minutes? At 2AM?

                        Also, @jolly, there is a federal investigation ongoing as well. Nobody knows what that is all about - yet.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

                        LuFins DadL 1 Reply Last reply 8 Jun 2024, 00:07
                        • G George K
                          7 Jun 2024, 23:50

                          @LuFins-Dad said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:

                          I’ve done it with my phone in my pocket.

                          At 2 AM?

                          With your phone on the nightstand?

                          When you were testified that you were asleep?

                          And the person you buttdialed happened to return your buttdial, with the calls lasting minutes? At 2AM?

                          Also, @jolly, there is a federal investigation ongoing as well. Nobody knows what that is all about - yet.

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                          LuFins Dad
                          wrote on 8 Jun 2024, 00:07 last edited by
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                          @George-K said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:

                          @LuFins-Dad said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:

                          I’ve done it with my phone in my pocket.

                          At 2 AM?

                          More like 4 AM

                          With your phone on the nightstand?

                          YES

                          When you were testified that you were asleep?

                          NO

                          And the person you buttdialed happened to return your buttdial, with the calls lasting minutes? At 2AM?

                          NO

                          Also, @jolly, there is a federal investigation ongoing as well. Nobody knows what that is all about - yet.

                          I don’t doubt that there’s evil afoot, here. I’m just saying that yes, I have actually called one of my employees at like 3AM. Sometimes I listen to Audible when I am having trouble sleeping. I will routinely fall asleep when I do so. Most times I am smart enough to turn on the sleep timer, but sometimes I don’t. I think I fell asleep, and woke up enough to try and turn off the book in my sleep… There was an outgoing call to one of my staff at 3:48… Fortunately, he didn’t answer.

                          The Brad

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                          • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad
                            8 Jun 2024, 00:07

                            @George-K said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:

                            @LuFins-Dad said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:

                            I’ve done it with my phone in my pocket.

                            At 2 AM?

                            More like 4 AM

                            With your phone on the nightstand?

                            YES

                            When you were testified that you were asleep?

                            NO

                            And the person you buttdialed happened to return your buttdial, with the calls lasting minutes? At 2AM?

                            NO

                            Also, @jolly, there is a federal investigation ongoing as well. Nobody knows what that is all about - yet.

                            I don’t doubt that there’s evil afoot, here. I’m just saying that yes, I have actually called one of my employees at like 3AM. Sometimes I listen to Audible when I am having trouble sleeping. I will routinely fall asleep when I do so. Most times I am smart enough to turn on the sleep timer, but sometimes I don’t. I think I fell asleep, and woke up enough to try and turn off the book in my sleep… There was an outgoing call to one of my staff at 3:48… Fortunately, he didn’t answer.

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                            George K
                            wrote on 8 Jun 2024, 00:12 last edited by
                            #42

                            @LuFins-Dad interesting.

                            But your employee didn't buttdial you back, right?

                            There is so much fuckery going on in this trial.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

                            LuFins DadL 1 Reply Last reply 8 Jun 2024, 00:58
                            • G George K
                              8 Jun 2024, 00:12

                              @LuFins-Dad interesting.

                              But your employee didn't buttdial you back, right?

                              There is so much fuckery going on in this trial.

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                              LuFins Dad
                              wrote on 8 Jun 2024, 00:58 last edited by
                              #43

                              @George-K said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:

                              @LuFins-Dad interesting.

                              But your employee didn't buttdial you back, right?

                              There is so much fuckery going on in this trial.

                              No doubt.

                              The Brad

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                              • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad
                                8 Jun 2024, 00:58

                                @George-K said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:

                                @LuFins-Dad interesting.

                                But your employee didn't buttdial you back, right?

                                There is so much fuckery going on in this trial.

                                No doubt.

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                                George K
                                wrote on 8 Jun 2024, 01:15 last edited by
                                #44

                                @LuFins-Dad said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:

                                No doubt.

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                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • J jon-nyc
                                  5 Jun 2024, 14:13

                                  @George-K

                                  The one on the left, sure.

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                                  George K
                                  wrote on 12 Jun 2024, 16:29 last edited by
                                  #45

                                  @jon-nyc said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:

                                  The one on the left, sure.

                                  @jon-nyc , she has Chron's disease, had 10 operations in 14 months, and has a colostomy. Still up for that?

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    Doctor Phibes
                                    wrote on 12 Jun 2024, 16:45 last edited by
                                    #46

                                    Saw this on my drive into work this morning on Route 1 ....

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                                    I was only joking

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                                      George K
                                      wrote on 22 Jun 2024, 23:41 last edited by
                                      #47

                                      The Commonwealth has rested.

                                      Wow. What a terrible presentation of their case. Even their own witness, the medical examiner couldn't say for sure that O'Keefe's injuries were caused by an encounter with a SUV.

                                      As I may have mentioned, there's a concurrent FBI investigation regarding possible corruption in the Canton PD.

                                      What a totally corrupt, incompetent prosecution and investigation.

                                      She'll walk, and she deserves to.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        taiwan_girl
                                        wrote on 12 Jul 2024, 01:08 last edited by
                                        #48

                                        https://apnews.com/article/karen-read-boston-police-officer-murder-7222b8d74b2fb2e757209f09c437a766

                                        Jurors in the trial of Karen Read unanimously concluded she was not guilty of murder or of leaving the scene of a deadly accident, and were deadlocked on only the remaining manslaughter charge before the judge abruptly declared a mistrial, her defense team said Monday.

                                        The disclosure was made in a defense motion Monday in which they argued that retrying Read on those two counts “would violate” the double jeopardy protections in the U.S. and Massachusetts constitutions. If the court needs additional information, the defense said, it should approve a “post-verdict inquiry” in which they are allowed to “seek additional proof from the jurors” regarding their having “unanimously acquitted the defendant of two of the three charges against her.”

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                                        • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl
                                          12 Jul 2024, 01:08

                                          https://apnews.com/article/karen-read-boston-police-officer-murder-7222b8d74b2fb2e757209f09c437a766

                                          Jurors in the trial of Karen Read unanimously concluded she was not guilty of murder or of leaving the scene of a deadly accident, and were deadlocked on only the remaining manslaughter charge before the judge abruptly declared a mistrial, her defense team said Monday.

                                          The disclosure was made in a defense motion Monday in which they argued that retrying Read on those two counts “would violate” the double jeopardy protections in the U.S. and Massachusetts constitutions. If the court needs additional information, the defense said, it should approve a “post-verdict inquiry” in which they are allowed to “seek additional proof from the jurors” regarding their having “unanimously acquitted the defendant of two of the three charges against her.”

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                                          Doctor Phibes
                                          wrote on 12 Jul 2024, 01:15 last edited by
                                          #49

                                          @taiwan_girl said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:

                                          https://apnews.com/article/karen-read-boston-police-officer-murder-7222b8d74b2fb2e757209f09c437a766

                                          Jurors in the trial of Karen Read unanimously concluded she was not guilty of murder or of leaving the scene of a deadly accident, and were deadlocked on only the remaining manslaughter charge before the judge abruptly declared a mistrial, her defense team said Monday.

                                          The disclosure was made in a defense motion Monday in which they argued that retrying Read on those two counts “would violate” the double jeopardy protections in the U.S. and Massachusetts constitutions. If the court needs additional information, the defense said, it should approve a “post-verdict inquiry” in which they are allowed to “seek additional proof from the jurors” regarding their having “unanimously acquitted the defendant of two of the three charges against her.”

                                          I find it surprising that the jury was deadlocked on that last charge. I guess it's possible some people on the jury had a hard time believing that the police would do such a thing.

                                          I was only joking

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