The Karen Read Murder Trial
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Doesnt look good. I dont think I have to be an expert witness to tell that did not come from a car.
@taiwan_girl said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:
Doesnt look good.
This trial is a total disaster. The CW (Commonwealth) told the Court that their part of the case would take about 5-6 weeks, and the defense said 2-3.
Today is day 20 of court, but we are in the 6th week - court is not every day. The CW prosecutor is the worst, most disorganized lawyer I've eve seen. He was called over 55 witnesses, so far, and asked them dozens, hundreds, of irrelevant questions. He asked what they drank at the bar before the "after-party," what they were wearing. He asked every first-responder and other cop about their training, experience, etc.
This testimony was, after 19 days of trial the FIRST time we saw forensics, or any other professional testimony, other than the dog DNA expert.
So, here we are - with nothing, yet, to prove their case.
Meanwhile, the defense just said that they're going to need 3-4 days for their part of the trial. They've done such a great job of asking question in cross-examination of these witnesses that they've provided more than a little reaasonable doubt.
More from yesterday.
It's alleged that Read backed her Lexus SUV into O'Keefe, killing him. She supposedly hit him in the right - rear portion of the car, shattering her taillight lens. Much video of her car after being impounded which could prove the taillight was intact has gone missing. After the car was towed to the police station, surveillance video of the garage goes blank for 42 minutes.
And then there's this. The CW showed a photo of a piece of the right-rear taillight lens.
Shattered into, I believe 47, pieces. HEre's the largest one.
Now, here's a photo that shows an intact Lexus SUV taillight lens.
Look at the two indentations and tell me which one is consistent with the evidence.
It's possible that the evidence photo is taken from the other side of the lens (the inside of it). I really want to believe that, because believing that the cops are that stupid would be worse.
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To be honest, I have a hard time believing that reversing into somebody would shatter my rear tail-light. People are kind of squishy.
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To be honest, I have a hard time believing that reversing into somebody would shatter my rear tail-light. People are kind of squishy.
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:
I have a hard time believing that reversing into somebody would shatter my rear tail-light. People are kind of squishy.
If I were the defense, I would have an expert witness testify to the strength of polycarbonate and the force required to shatter a taillight lens into 45 pieces (which took over two weeks to recover, by the way).
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@Doctor-Phibes said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:
I have a hard time believing that reversing into somebody would shatter my rear tail-light. People are kind of squishy.
If I were the defense, I would have an expert witness testify to the strength of polycarbonate and the force required to shatter a taillight lens into 45 pieces (which took over two weeks to recover, by the way).
@George-K said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:
I have a hard time believing that reversing into somebody would shatter my rear tail-light. People are kind of squishy.
If I were the defense, I would have an expert witness testify to the strength of polycarbonate and the force required to shatter a taillight lens into 45 pieces (which took over two weeks to recover, by the way).
If I lived in Canton, MA (which I did at one time), I'd be sorely tempted to put up a sign with 'Defund the Police' on my front lawn.
Never mind their alleged dishonesty, but the apparent stupidity and incompetence almost beggars belief.
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There was no blood found on the car.
One attorney (she's a defense attorney in WA state who also does appellate work) said, "Blood seeps into the crevices of things like nuts and bolts or other joints that aren't completely sealed. This is why it is so difficult to remove blood evidence just by surface cleaning; in many cases you'd need to disassemble an item to clean it of all blood traces."
"t’s why the vehicles in vehicular homicides are like “rolling crime scenes” when directly involved in causing a death, transporting a body & even when transporting a murder weapon (or other evidence) containing trace blood."
Look at the pic of the jacket - all that blood, and none on the car?
Then, there's the magical hair.
Forensic examiner found a hair on the side of the SUV - I believe she said it was a human hair, but not proven to be the victim's. It was on the side of the vehicle. She was able to remove the hair with a pair of tweezers.
This photo was taken in the police station garage.
After the car had been driven from the scene to the defendant's parents' house, after it had been loaded onto a tow truck, after it had been driven about 40 minutes.
In a snowstorm, in Boston.
Sticky hair, eh?
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There was no blood found on the car.
One attorney (she's a defense attorney in WA state who also does appellate work) said, "Blood seeps into the crevices of things like nuts and bolts or other joints that aren't completely sealed. This is why it is so difficult to remove blood evidence just by surface cleaning; in many cases you'd need to disassemble an item to clean it of all blood traces."
"t’s why the vehicles in vehicular homicides are like “rolling crime scenes” when directly involved in causing a death, transporting a body & even when transporting a murder weapon (or other evidence) containing trace blood."
Look at the pic of the jacket - all that blood, and none on the car?
Then, there's the magical hair.
Forensic examiner found a hair on the side of the SUV - I believe she said it was a human hair, but not proven to be the victim's. It was on the side of the vehicle. She was able to remove the hair with a pair of tweezers.
This photo was taken in the police station garage.
After the car had been driven from the scene to the defendant's parents' house, after it had been loaded onto a tow truck, after it had been driven about 40 minutes.
In a snowstorm, in Boston.
Sticky hair, eh?
@George-K said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:
After the car had been driven from the scene to the defendant's parents' house, after it had been loaded onto a tow truck, after it had been driven about 40 minutes.
I was off. It was driven from 34 Fairview, to DIghton, and then back to Canton. In the snow.
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It gets better.
After O'Keefe's body is found, and the car is towed all over Massachusetts, it arrives at the police station. There are no photos of the passenger-side rear taillight being damaged
State Trooper testifies that this video (which was miraculously found days ago) is a fair and accurate representation of the scene in the garage. Note, the passenger tail light is supposedly visible, though it's impossible to tell if there's any damage to it.
Look at the lettering on the police car closer to the camera. Notice anything? Yeah, the lettering is backward.
The entire video has been (or recorded) flipped, so it APPEARS we're looking at the passenger side, but we're not. It's the driver's side.
So, now that we know that, here's the video of what it ACTUALLY looked like in the sallyport.
Look at 0:07 to 0:24 or so...what's going on on the passenger's side?
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Never mind. The Just-Us Department needs to investigate and arrest a couple more 80 year-old grandmothers....
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Never mind. The Just-Us Department needs to investigate and arrest a couple more 80 year-old grandmothers....
@Jolly said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:
Never mind. The Just-Us Department needs to investigate and arrest a couple more 80 year-old grandmothers....
We definitely need more discussions on that, so let's try and hijack this rather interesting topic?
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@Jolly said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:
Never mind. The Just-Us Department needs to investigate and arrest a couple more 80 year-old grandmothers....
We definitely need more discussions on that, so let's try and hijack this rather interesting topic?
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:
@Jolly said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:
Never mind. The Just-Us Department needs to investigate and arrest a couple more 80 year-old grandmothers....
We definitely need more discussions on that, so let's try and hijack this rather interesting topic?
I think it's part of this thread topic. The DOJ and specifically the FBI...Well, this is a basic part of their mission, to make sure local and state cops do not violate victim's civil rights or corrupt the justice system. A lot of time, effort and money has been spent by Justice in the last few years, chasing things that are really on the periphery of what they ought to be doing.
There is only so much time, money and resources available. Take care of the big things first.
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@taiwan_girl said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:
Yes. Not sure how it happens, but it has happened to me before.
One of the witnesses claims that he fell asleep with his phone (ahem) in his bed, and then butt-dialed a friend.
@George-K said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:
@taiwan_girl said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:
Yes. Not sure how it happens, but it has happened to me before.
One of the witnesses claims that he fell asleep with his phone (ahem) in his bed, and then butt-dialed a friend.
Butt-dialing is now just a catch all for accidentally called. I’ve done it with my phone in my pocket.
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@George-K said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:
@taiwan_girl said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:
Yes. Not sure how it happens, but it has happened to me before.
One of the witnesses claims that he fell asleep with his phone (ahem) in his bed, and then butt-dialed a friend.
Butt-dialing is now just a catch all for accidentally called. I’ve done it with my phone in my pocket.
@LuFins-Dad said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:
I’ve done it with my phone in my pocket.
At 2 AM?
With your phone on the nightstand?
When you were testified that you were asleep?
And the person you buttdialed happened to return your buttdial, with the calls lasting minutes? At 2AM?
Also, @jolly, there is a federal investigation ongoing as well. Nobody knows what that is all about - yet.
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@LuFins-Dad said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:
I’ve done it with my phone in my pocket.
At 2 AM?
With your phone on the nightstand?
When you were testified that you were asleep?
And the person you buttdialed happened to return your buttdial, with the calls lasting minutes? At 2AM?
Also, @jolly, there is a federal investigation ongoing as well. Nobody knows what that is all about - yet.
@George-K said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:
@LuFins-Dad said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:
I’ve done it with my phone in my pocket.
At 2 AM?
More like 4 AM
With your phone on the nightstand?
YES
When you were testified that you were asleep?
NO
And the person you buttdialed happened to return your buttdial, with the calls lasting minutes? At 2AM?
NO
Also, @jolly, there is a federal investigation ongoing as well. Nobody knows what that is all about - yet.
I don’t doubt that there’s evil afoot, here. I’m just saying that yes, I have actually called one of my employees at like 3AM. Sometimes I listen to Audible when I am having trouble sleeping. I will routinely fall asleep when I do so. Most times I am smart enough to turn on the sleep timer, but sometimes I don’t. I think I fell asleep, and woke up enough to try and turn off the book in my sleep… There was an outgoing call to one of my staff at 3:48… Fortunately, he didn’t answer.
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@George-K said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:
@LuFins-Dad said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:
I’ve done it with my phone in my pocket.
At 2 AM?
More like 4 AM
With your phone on the nightstand?
YES
When you were testified that you were asleep?
NO
And the person you buttdialed happened to return your buttdial, with the calls lasting minutes? At 2AM?
NO
Also, @jolly, there is a federal investigation ongoing as well. Nobody knows what that is all about - yet.
I don’t doubt that there’s evil afoot, here. I’m just saying that yes, I have actually called one of my employees at like 3AM. Sometimes I listen to Audible when I am having trouble sleeping. I will routinely fall asleep when I do so. Most times I am smart enough to turn on the sleep timer, but sometimes I don’t. I think I fell asleep, and woke up enough to try and turn off the book in my sleep… There was an outgoing call to one of my staff at 3:48… Fortunately, he didn’t answer.
@LuFins-Dad interesting.
But your employee didn't buttdial you back, right?
There is so much fuckery going on in this trial.
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@LuFins-Dad interesting.
But your employee didn't buttdial you back, right?
There is so much fuckery going on in this trial.
@George-K said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:
@LuFins-Dad interesting.
But your employee didn't buttdial you back, right?
There is so much fuckery going on in this trial.
No doubt.
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@George-K said in The Karen Read Murder Trial:
@LuFins-Dad interesting.
But your employee didn't buttdial you back, right?
There is so much fuckery going on in this trial.
No doubt.
