The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today
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@taiwan_girl said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:
So, yes this was a political trial. But taking that away, and soley looking at the evidence and what the jury was told to rule on, do you guys think they made the correct decision?
My understanding is
President Trump had an affair with a porn actor
President Trump paid the porn actor to keep quiet about the affair
President Trump used his business funds to pay the porn actor
President Trump classified these "expenses" as something other than "keep quiet payments"
President Trump was charged with making false business statementsIs the above correct? If so, then I think that the jury was correct in finding him guilty. Again, they were not looking at if the laws were correct or if the trail was political or if the judge was bias, etc. They were presented with the law and asked if President Trump broke that law. Just like any other trial.
Yes, I believe most of those are correct, though it's unclear whether these expenses were classified as "business." Assuming they were, the statute of limitations for all of these expired in 2019. They are all misdemeanors, I might add.
The only way they could resurrect these charges is to make them part of an attempt to commit another, unspecified, crime, making it a felony, and within the statute of limitations.
A summary of the charges and the prosecution at NRO. Granted, it's right-leaning, but this editorial lays out the landscape pretty well.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/05/the-horrendous-trump-verdict/
@George-K said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:
But taking that away, and soley looking at the evidence and what the jury was told to rule on, do you guys think they made the correct decision?
There were two lawyers on the jury. Even in NYC, I can't believe an attorney can convict anybody of anything based on GLOAT Cohen's testimony.
I can only hope that the judge's instructions allowed the jury no leeway in interpretation.
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6 point bump - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13480491/donald-trump-verdict-guilty-poll-positive.html
$1,000,000 per count, and 1/3 of the donors were new donors.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/05/31/trump-campaign-donations-record.html
The Brad
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@Mik said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:
That was the result I expected, that he would grow more popular.
The new donor number is what everyone should pay attention to.
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Yup - expected. It also would not be a surprise if the verdict is overturned by the Supreme Court. Vox did a decent review of this a year ago.
IF the Supreme Court were to overrule the current conviction AND if it were a 6-3 vote, one can be certain that left leaning voters will feel as outraged as right leaning voters are feeling today.
I suspect that is what DJT will be urging today - that the Supreme Court review the appropriateness of the prosecution. Whatever happens - and I'd bet for the overturning - one can be sure that everyone will be even more energized for the November election.
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Yup - expected. It also would not be a surprise if the verdict is overturned by the Supreme Court. Vox did a decent review of this a year ago.
IF the Supreme Court were to overrule the current conviction AND if it were a 6-3 vote, one can be certain that left leaning voters will feel as outraged as right leaning voters are feeling today.
I suspect that is what DJT will be urging today - that the Supreme Court review the appropriateness of the prosecution. Whatever happens - and I'd bet for the overturning - one can be sure that everyone will be even more energized for the November election.
@kluurs said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:
Yup - expected. It also would not be a surprise if the verdict is overturned by the Supreme Court. Vox did a decent review of this a year ago.
IF the Supreme Court were to overrule the current conviction AND if it were a 6-3 vote, one can be certain that left leaning voters will feel as outraged as right leaning voters are feeling today.
I suspect that is what DJT will be urging today - that the Supreme Court review the appropriateness of the prosecution. Whatever happens - and I'd bet for the overturning - one can be sure that everyone will be even more energized for the November election.
I think DJT will want to slow down the appeal process. Go through the NY Appellate Court first. He wants to go into November as a Justice Impacted Individual.
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The Supreme Court has long held, under a doctrine known as the “rule of lenity,” that “fair warning should be given to the world, in language that the common world will understand, of what the law intends to do if a certain line is passed.” Thus, when the meaning of a criminal statute is unclear, the Constitution sometimes requires that statute to be read narrowly because an unclear criminal law did not give potential defendants “fair warning” that their conduct was illegal.
The current Court is divided about when this rule of lenity should apply, and whether it provides much protection at all to criminal defendants.
David French wrote on this [issue](lenity trump conviction).
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6 point bump - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13480491/donald-trump-verdict-guilty-poll-positive.html
$1,000,000 per count, and 1/3 of the donors were new donors.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/05/31/trump-campaign-donations-record.html
@LuFins-Dad said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:
6 point bump - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13480491/donald-trump-verdict-guilty-poll-positive.html
$1,000,000 per count, and 1/3 of the donors were new donors.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/05/31/trump-campaign-donations-record.html
Trump is playing 4D... dare I say, 5D chess right now.
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6 point bump - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13480491/donald-trump-verdict-guilty-poll-positive.html
$1,000,000 per count, and 1/3 of the donors were new donors.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/05/31/trump-campaign-donations-record.html
@LuFins-Dad said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:
6 point bump - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13480491/donald-trump-verdict-guilty-poll-positive.html
$1,000,000 per count, and 1/3 of the donors were new donors.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/05/31/trump-campaign-donations-record.html
The website crashed.
Wonder what the actual figures would be if that had not happened?
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Ken - this is a NY criminal case. It would be very hard for him to get it to SCOTUS on the merits. You really think they’d grant cert because of who he is?
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Since Trump is now a felon, does that mean he has to sell his 60% ownership of DJT stock? I believe you can't own more than 20% of a company as a felon.
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Since Trump is now a felon, does that mean he has to sell his 60% ownership of DJT stock? I believe you can't own more than 20% of a company as a felon.
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Since Trump is now a felon, does that mean he has to sell his 60% ownership of DJT stock? I believe you can't own more than 20% of a company as a felon.
@89th said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:
Since Trump is now a felon, does that mean he has to sell his 60% ownership of DJT stock? I believe you can't own more than 20% of a company as a felon.
Uh, no.
There are some brokerages that restrict the amount of stock they will sell to a felon and there are some insider trading laws that will cause the FTC to impose restrictions on running a publicly traded company if convicted, but nothing about owning a business.
The Brad
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The really interesting thing is that if Trump was convicted in FL, he wouldn’t be allowed to vote in November, but because he was convicted in NY, which allows Justice Impacted Individuals to vote, he will be allowed to vote.
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@89th said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:
Since Trump is now a felon, does that mean he has to sell his 60% ownership of DJT stock? I believe you can't own more than 20% of a company as a felon.
Uh, no.
There are some brokerages that restrict the amount of stock they will sell to a felon and there are some insider trading laws that will cause the FTC to impose restrictions on running a publicly traded company if convicted, but nothing about owning a business.
@LuFins-Dad said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:
@89th said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:
Since Trump is now a felon, does that mean he has to sell his 60% ownership of DJT stock? I believe you can't own more than 20% of a company as a felon.
Uh, no.
There are some brokerages that restrict the amount of stock they will sell to a felon and there are some insider trading laws that will cause the FTC to impose restrictions on running a publicly traded company if convicted, but nothing about owning a business.
I'm sure you're right. I was skimming this from the SEC: https://www.sec.gov/info/smallbus/secg/bad-actor-small-entity-compliance-guide
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More from @shipwreckedcrew
The theory that Bragg's Office ultimately pushed the most aggressively in the latter stages of the case and at closing was that the false business records were intented to cover up a NY state law crime of "conspiracy to promote the election of any person to public office by unlawful means."
The unlawful means was the filing of the false records to hide the NDA payments.
The "filing of false records" charge -- standing alone -- is a misdemeanor, barred by the statute of limitations.
The "conspiracy to promote the election" -- is a misdemeanor, barred by the statute of limitations.
It is only by COMBINING two misdemeanors -- neither of which could be prosecuted -- that the Democrat machine could create a felony charge that was within the longer statute of limitations.
