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    LuFins Dad
    wrote on 31 May 2024, 14:16 last edited by
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    I believe the term is Justice Disadvantaged Person of Color.

    The Brad

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      LuFins Dad
      wrote on 31 May 2024, 14:16 last edited by
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      Orange is a color.

      The Brad

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        LuFins Dad
        wrote on 31 May 2024, 14:17 last edited by
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        Justice Impacted Person. My bad.

        The Brad

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        • G George K
          31 May 2024, 11:26

          @taiwan_girl said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

          So, yes this was a political trial. But taking that away, and soley looking at the evidence and what the jury was told to rule on, do you guys think they made the correct decision?

          My understanding is
          President Trump had an affair with a porn actor
          President Trump paid the porn actor to keep quiet about the affair
          President Trump used his business funds to pay the porn actor
          President Trump classified these "expenses" as something other than "keep quiet payments"
          President Trump was charged with making false business statements

          Is the above correct? If so, then I think that the jury was correct in finding him guilty. Again, they were not looking at if the laws were correct or if the trail was political or if the judge was bias, etc. They were presented with the law and asked if President Trump broke that law. Just like any other trial.

          Yes, I believe most of those are correct, though it's unclear whether these expenses were classified as "business." Assuming they were, the statute of limitations for all of these expired in 2019. They are all misdemeanors, I might add.

          The only way they could resurrect these charges is to make them part of an attempt to commit another, unspecified, crime, making it a felony, and within the statute of limitations.

          A summary of the charges and the prosecution at NRO. Granted, it's right-leaning, but this editorial lays out the landscape pretty well.

          https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/05/the-horrendous-trump-verdict/

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          Jolly
          wrote on 31 May 2024, 14:23 last edited by
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          @George-K said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

          But taking that away, and soley looking at the evidence and what the jury was told to rule on, do you guys think they made the correct decision?

          There were two lawyers on the jury. Even in NYC, I can't believe an attorney can convict anybody of anything based on GLOAT Cohen's testimony.

          I can only hope that the judge's instructions allowed the jury no leeway in interpretation.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            LuFins Dad
            wrote on 31 May 2024, 14:53 last edited by
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            6 point bump - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13480491/donald-trump-verdict-guilty-poll-positive.html

            $1,000,000 per count, and 1/3 of the donors were new donors.

            https://www.cnbc.com/2024/05/31/trump-campaign-donations-record.html

            The Brad

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              Mik
              wrote on 31 May 2024, 14:57 last edited by
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              That was the result I expected, that he would grow more popular.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                31 May 2024, 14:57

                That was the result I expected, that he would grow more popular.

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                LuFins Dad
                wrote on 31 May 2024, 14:59 last edited by
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                @Mik said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                That was the result I expected, that he would grow more popular.

                The new donor number is what everyone should pay attention to.

                The Brad

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                  kluurs
                  wrote on 31 May 2024, 15:03 last edited by
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                  Yup - expected. It also would not be a surprise if the verdict is overturned by the Supreme Court. Vox did a decent review of this a year ago.

                  IF the Supreme Court were to overrule the current conviction AND if it were a 6-3 vote, one can be certain that left leaning voters will feel as outraged as right leaning voters are feeling today.

                  I suspect that is what DJT will be urging today - that the Supreme Court review the appropriateness of the prosecution. Whatever happens - and I'd bet for the overturning - one can be sure that everyone will be even more energized for the November election.

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                  • K kluurs
                    31 May 2024, 15:03

                    Yup - expected. It also would not be a surprise if the verdict is overturned by the Supreme Court. Vox did a decent review of this a year ago.

                    IF the Supreme Court were to overrule the current conviction AND if it were a 6-3 vote, one can be certain that left leaning voters will feel as outraged as right leaning voters are feeling today.

                    I suspect that is what DJT will be urging today - that the Supreme Court review the appropriateness of the prosecution. Whatever happens - and I'd bet for the overturning - one can be sure that everyone will be even more energized for the November election.

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                    LuFins Dad
                    wrote on 31 May 2024, 15:10 last edited by
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                    @kluurs said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                    Yup - expected. It also would not be a surprise if the verdict is overturned by the Supreme Court. Vox did a decent review of this a year ago.

                    IF the Supreme Court were to overrule the current conviction AND if it were a 6-3 vote, one can be certain that left leaning voters will feel as outraged as right leaning voters are feeling today.

                    I suspect that is what DJT will be urging today - that the Supreme Court review the appropriateness of the prosecution. Whatever happens - and I'd bet for the overturning - one can be sure that everyone will be even more energized for the November election.

                    I think DJT will want to slow down the appeal process. Go through the NY Appellate Court first. He wants to go into November as a Justice Impacted Individual.

                    The Brad

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                      jon-nyc
                      wrote on 31 May 2024, 15:33 last edited by
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                      Ken - this is a NY criminal case. It would be very hard for him to get it to SCOTUS on the merits. You really think they’d grant cert because of who he is?

                      Only non-witches get due process.

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                        kluurs
                        wrote on 31 May 2024, 15:36 last edited by kluurs
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                        The Supreme Court has long held, under a doctrine known as the “rule of lenity,” that “fair warning should be given to the world, in language that the common world will understand, of what the law intends to do if a certain line is passed.” Thus, when the meaning of a criminal statute is unclear, the Constitution sometimes requires that statute to be read narrowly because an unclear criminal law did not give potential defendants “fair warning” that their conduct was illegal.

                        The current Court is divided about when this rule of lenity should apply, and whether it provides much protection at all to criminal defendants.

                        David French wrote on this [issue](lenity trump conviction).

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                        • L LuFins Dad
                          31 May 2024, 14:53

                          6 point bump - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13480491/donald-trump-verdict-guilty-poll-positive.html

                          $1,000,000 per count, and 1/3 of the donors were new donors.

                          https://www.cnbc.com/2024/05/31/trump-campaign-donations-record.html

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                          89th
                          wrote on 31 May 2024, 15:56 last edited by
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                          @LuFins-Dad said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                          6 point bump - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13480491/donald-trump-verdict-guilty-poll-positive.html

                          $1,000,000 per count, and 1/3 of the donors were new donors.

                          https://www.cnbc.com/2024/05/31/trump-campaign-donations-record.html

                          Trump is playing 4D... dare I say, 5D chess right now.

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                            Jolly
                            wrote on 31 May 2024, 16:55 last edited by
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                            I'd like to see Trump take 40 states. Or more.

                            I think this is the best way, along with a couple of favorable SCOTUS rulings, to prevent further lawfare and to bring some sanity back to the judiciary.

                            Merchan, you slimy toad, what hast thou wrought?

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              31 May 2024, 14:53

                              6 point bump - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13480491/donald-trump-verdict-guilty-poll-positive.html

                              $1,000,000 per count, and 1/3 of the donors were new donors.

                              https://www.cnbc.com/2024/05/31/trump-campaign-donations-record.html

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                              Jolly
                              wrote on 31 May 2024, 16:58 last edited by
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                              @LuFins-Dad said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                              6 point bump - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13480491/donald-trump-verdict-guilty-poll-positive.html

                              $1,000,000 per count, and 1/3 of the donors were new donors.

                              https://www.cnbc.com/2024/05/31/trump-campaign-donations-record.html

                              The website crashed.

                              Wonder what the actual figures would be if that had not happened?

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • J jon-nyc
                                31 May 2024, 15:33

                                Ken - this is a NY criminal case. It would be very hard for him to get it to SCOTUS on the merits. You really think they’d grant cert because of who he is?

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                                Copper
                                wrote on 31 May 2024, 17:41 last edited by
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                                @jon-nyc said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                                grant cert because of who he is?

                                It might have the same urgency and importance as something like Bush v. Gore

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                                  89th
                                  wrote on 31 May 2024, 17:58 last edited by
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                                  Since Trump is now a felon, does that mean he has to sell his 60% ownership of DJT stock? I believe you can't own more than 20% of a company as a felon.

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                                    31 May 2024, 17:58

                                    Since Trump is now a felon, does that mean he has to sell his 60% ownership of DJT stock? I believe you can't own more than 20% of a company as a felon.

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                                    Copper
                                    wrote on 31 May 2024, 18:05 last edited by
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                                    @89th said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                                    Since Trump is now a felon, does that mean he has to sell his 60% ownership of DJT stock? I believe you can't own more than 20% of a company as a felon.

                                    But what if it is rigged?

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                                    • 8 89th
                                      31 May 2024, 17:58

                                      Since Trump is now a felon, does that mean he has to sell his 60% ownership of DJT stock? I believe you can't own more than 20% of a company as a felon.

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                                      LuFins Dad
                                      wrote on 31 May 2024, 18:06 last edited by
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                                      @89th said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                                      Since Trump is now a felon, does that mean he has to sell his 60% ownership of DJT stock? I believe you can't own more than 20% of a company as a felon.

                                      Uh, no.

                                      There are some brokerages that restrict the amount of stock they will sell to a felon and there are some insider trading laws that will cause the FTC to impose restrictions on running a publicly traded company if convicted, but nothing about owning a business.

                                      The Brad

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                                        LuFins Dad
                                        wrote on 31 May 2024, 18:09 last edited by
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                                        The really interesting thing is that if Trump was convicted in FL, he wouldn’t be allowed to vote in November, but because he was convicted in NY, which allows Justice Impacted Individuals to vote, he will be allowed to vote.

                                        The Brad

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                                        • L LuFins Dad
                                          31 May 2024, 18:06

                                          @89th said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                                          Since Trump is now a felon, does that mean he has to sell his 60% ownership of DJT stock? I believe you can't own more than 20% of a company as a felon.

                                          Uh, no.

                                          There are some brokerages that restrict the amount of stock they will sell to a felon and there are some insider trading laws that will cause the FTC to impose restrictions on running a publicly traded company if convicted, but nothing about owning a business.

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                                          89th
                                          wrote on 31 May 2024, 18:11 last edited by
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                                          @LuFins-Dad said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                                          @89th said in The Trump "Hush Money" Trial starts today:

                                          Since Trump is now a felon, does that mean he has to sell his 60% ownership of DJT stock? I believe you can't own more than 20% of a company as a felon.

                                          Uh, no.

                                          There are some brokerages that restrict the amount of stock they will sell to a felon and there are some insider trading laws that will cause the FTC to impose restrictions on running a publicly traded company if convicted, but nothing about owning a business.

                                          I'm sure you're right. I was skimming this from the SEC: https://www.sec.gov/info/smallbus/secg/bad-actor-small-entity-compliance-guide

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