Party Convention with Fighting and Obsenities

Renauda

@LuFins-Dad said in Party Convention with Fighting and Obsenities:

Speaking as somebody who holds many Libertarian positions, Libertarians are nuts. I don’t mean that they hold untenable positions, I mean they are insane. That’s where you will find the flat earthers and such.

I similarly struggle with my own inner libertarian ideals. Perhaps it’s more small “a” anarchism than libertarianism. I do not know.

A couple of years back I came across the following description of libertarians. I don’t think it is off the mark:

[Libertarians are like] House cats. They are convinced if their fierce independence while utterly dependent on a system they don’t appreciate or understand.

Horace

There are as many flavors of libertarianism as there are people who call themselves libertarians. I appreciate the direction of the ideology mostly.

Mik

The least amount of government interference in citizens lives as is workable. Works for me.

But yeah, when you have party leaders who call themselves Vermin Supreme, well, as Lennon said, “if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao, you ain’t gonna make it with anyone anyhow”

Renauda

@Horace said in Party Convention with Fighting and Obsenities:

There are as many flavors of libertarianism as there are people who call themselves libertarians. I appreciate the direction of the ideology mostly.

As do I, however the vast majority of self professed libertarians I have encountered or know fall into the house cat variety or, as you say, flavour.

They are staunch libertarians until such time they feel that it’s time for their dinner.

LuFins Dad

I think there are a fair number of libertarians that support the ideals because it will allow them to partake in whatever their vice of choice is. That’s why so many porn professionals are active in the party.

Doctor Phibes

@Mik said in Party Convention with Fighting and Obsenities:

But yeah, when you have party leaders who call themselves Vermin Supreme, well, as Lennon said, “if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao, you ain’t gonna make it with anyone anyhow”

Compared to John McAfee, he's probably a teddy bear.

Renauda

@LuFins-Dad

I think there are a fair number of libertarians that support the ideals because it will allow them to partake in whatever their vice of choice is. That’s why so many porn professionals are active in the party.

Those would be the alley cat variety.

Horace

The George Mason economics department is mostly libertarian, with public intellectuals who self-identify as libertarian including Tyler Cowen, Bryan Caplan, and Robin Hanson. Even they had an internal divide during COVID, where Cowen was more for lock-downs and the others not so much. Stress will bring out differences.

jon-nyc

Yes but those are the kind of libertarians who read Robert Nozick and Frederick von Hayek.

None of them would consider RFK or DJT to be libertarian.

Doctor Phibes

Maybe somebody got confused and thought they’d booked them to speak to the libertine party?

Renauda

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taiwan_girl

President Trump not very well received. But no surprise. It does say that he must be concerned that Mr. Kennedy may be taking some votes from him.

Link to video

Jolly

Maybe he's just trying to enlarge the tent.

Mik

If you were a self proclaimed libertarian, who would you vote for, assuming you wanted your vote to count?

George K · "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

Mik

The Bee never disappoints.

Horace

I read that Trump vowed to commute Ross Ulbricht's sentence if he's elected. Ulbricht is the guy who set up the "silk road" black market for drugs on the dark web, and will be spending the rest of his life in prison without a commutation. He was also conned into attempts to hire assassins to take out some business enemies.