Party Convention with Fighting and Obsenities
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Donald Trump won’t be speaking to his usual self-selected crowd of adoring red-hatted MAGA fans when he addresses the Libertarian National Convention on Saturday.
As delegates gathered at the Washington Hilton on the eve of his speech, the party’s decision to host the former president, which had split the organization, erupted Friday into open revolt. Fuming delegates at the convention said they plan to protest Trump’s speech, and one group sought unsuccessfully to remove the former president along with Robert F. Kennedy Jr., from the agenda — a move that resulted in thrown punches and obscenities between supporters and opponents of the move.
“I would like to propose that we go tell Donald Trump to go fuck himself!” Kaelan Dreyer, a Libertarian from New Mexico, yelled into a microphone, winning cheers from the crowd. After shouting vulgarities at the convention’s chair and fending off punches, he was led out of the convention hall.
The raucous opening to the convention reflects the pockets of hostility that Trump faces as he appeals to the Libertarians to help him box out a growing, third-party threat from Kennedy’s independent presidential campaign.
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Speaking as somebody who holds many Libertarian positions, Libertarians are nuts. I don’t mean that they hold untenable positions, I mean they are insane. That’s where you will find the flat earthers and such.
The Brad
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Speaking as somebody who holds many Libertarian positions, Libertarians are nuts. I don’t mean that they hold untenable positions, I mean they are insane. That’s where you will find the flat earthers and such.
@LuFins-Dad said in Party Convention with Fighting and Obsenities:
Speaking as somebody who holds many Libertarian positions, Libertarians are nuts. I don’t mean that they hold untenable positions, I mean they are insane. That’s where you will find the flat earthers and such.
Kat Timpf, who works for FOX, is a Libertarian.
She's not dumb. Magna Cum Laude from Hillsdale, where she attended on scholarship and was editor of the school paper. But...Let Kat talk long enough, and she may not be Flat Earth, but she's a quarter-bubble off plumb. She brings up some interesting points, but so many of them are simply unworkable.
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The people I know who are libertarian tend to be quite smart but really out there - their views are weird on a whole lot of things outside politics. I hesitate to use the phrase ‘on the spectrum’ as it’s a bit of a cliche but that’s where they are.
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Speaking as somebody who holds many Libertarian positions, Libertarians are nuts. I don’t mean that they hold untenable positions, I mean they are insane. That’s where you will find the flat earthers and such.
@LuFins-Dad said in Party Convention with Fighting and Obsenities:
Speaking as somebody who holds many Libertarian positions, Libertarians are nuts. I don’t mean that they hold untenable positions, I mean they are insane. That’s where you will find the flat earthers and such.
I similarly struggle with my own inner libertarian ideals. Perhaps it’s more small “a” anarchism than libertarianism. I do not know.
A couple of years back I came across the following description of libertarians. I don’t think it is off the mark:
[Libertarians are like] House cats. They are convinced if their fierce independence while utterly dependent on a system they don’t appreciate or understand.
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The least amount of government interference in citizens lives as is workable. Works for me.
But yeah, when you have party leaders who call themselves Vermin Supreme, well, as Lennon said, “if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao, you ain’t gonna make it with anyone anyhow”
“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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There are as many flavors of libertarianism as there are people who call themselves libertarians. I appreciate the direction of the ideology mostly.
@Horace said in Party Convention with Fighting and Obsenities:
There are as many flavors of libertarianism as there are people who call themselves libertarians. I appreciate the direction of the ideology mostly.
As do I, however the vast majority of self professed libertarians I have encountered or know fall into the house cat variety or, as you say, flavour.
They are staunch libertarians until such time they feel that it’s time for their dinner.
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I think there are a fair number of libertarians that support the ideals because it will allow them to partake in whatever their vice of choice is. That’s why so many porn professionals are active in the party.
The Brad
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The least amount of government interference in citizens lives as is workable. Works for me.
But yeah, when you have party leaders who call themselves Vermin Supreme, well, as Lennon said, “if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao, you ain’t gonna make it with anyone anyhow”
@Mik said in Party Convention with Fighting and Obsenities:
But yeah, when you have party leaders who call themselves Vermin Supreme, well, as Lennon said, “if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao, you ain’t gonna make it with anyone anyhow”
Compared to John McAfee, he's probably a teddy bear.
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I think there are a fair number of libertarians that support the ideals because it will allow them to partake in whatever their vice of choice is. That’s why so many porn professionals are active in the party.
I think there are a fair number of libertarians that support the ideals because it will allow them to partake in whatever their vice of choice is. That’s why so many porn professionals are active in the party.
Those would be the alley cat variety.
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The George Mason economics department is mostly libertarian, with public intellectuals who self-identify as libertarian including Tyler Cowen, Bryan Caplan, and Robin Hanson. Even they had an internal divide during COVID, where Cowen was more for lock-downs and the others not so much. Stress will bring out differences.
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Maybe somebody got confused and thought they’d booked them to speak to the libertine party?
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Maybe somebody got confused and thought they’d booked them to speak to the libertine party?
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President Trump not very well received. But no surprise. It does say that he must be concerned that Mr. Kennedy may be taking some votes from him.
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Maybe he's just trying to enlarge the tent.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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If you were a self proclaimed libertarian, who would you vote for, assuming you wanted your vote to count?
“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
