Bidenomics
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@taiwan_girl said in Bidenomics:
the last months of President Trump term
Which were mostly a recovery from the COVID dip.
@George-K said in Bidenomics:
@taiwan_girl said in Bidenomics:
the last months of President Trump term
Which were mostly a recovery from the COVID dip.
Agree. But both of them are behind Obama, (who maybe is behind Clinton, etc.). To me, it just reinforce my thought that the president gets too much credit/too much blame for the economy.
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@taiwan_girl said in Bidenomics:
the last months of President Trump term
Which were mostly a recovery from the COVID dip.
@George-K said in Bidenomics:
@taiwan_girl said in Bidenomics:
the last months of President Trump term
Which were mostly a recovery from the COVID dip.
Or optimism buoyed by the expectation of the coming Biden Presidency!
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@George-K said in Bidenomics:
@taiwan_girl said in Bidenomics:
the last months of President Trump term
Which were mostly a recovery from the COVID dip.
Agree. But both of them are behind Obama, (who maybe is behind Clinton, etc.). To me, it just reinforce my thought that the president gets too much credit/too much blame for the economy.
@taiwan_girl said in Bidenomics:
to me, it just reinforce my thought that the president gets too much credit/too much blame for the economy.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@George-K said in Bidenomics:
Meh, prices did go down overall by a small amount, but not even close to a âplummetâ. And almost all of the drop was precipitated by eggs, where production is finally getting back on track.
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@taiwan_girl said in Bidenomics:
to me, it just reinforce my thought that the president gets too much credit/too much blame for the economy.
@George-K said in Bidenomics:
@taiwan_girl said in Bidenomics:
to me, it just reinforce my thought that the president gets too much credit/too much blame for the economy.
Why does he have red laser eyes?
@Larry and I went back and forth on this. I would ask him to give me his any five indicators of the economy (GDP grow, inflation, stock market, unemployment, etc etc etc) and I would pretty much show him that there was very little to no relationship between those and which party was the president. And I would get the typical Larry response: "If you are too dumb to understand that, then I'm not going to tell you." LOL
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@George-K said in Bidenomics:
@taiwan_girl said in Bidenomics:
to me, it just reinforce my thought that the president gets too much credit/too much blame for the economy.
Why does he have red laser eyes?
@Larry and I went back and forth on this. I would ask him to give me his any five indicators of the economy (GDP grow, inflation, stock market, unemployment, etc etc etc) and I would pretty much show him that there was very little to no relationship between those and which party was the president. And I would get the typical Larry response: "If you are too dumb to understand that, then I'm not going to tell you." LOL
@taiwan_girl said in Bidenomics:
I would ask him to give me his any five indicators of the economy (GDP grow, inflation, stock market, unemployment, etc etc etc) and I would pretty much show him that there was very little to no relationship
You may well be right. But James Carville will disagree, at least when it comes to politics.
Of course, politics might bear no relation to reality.
But in politics, perception is reality.
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@taiwan_girl said in Bidenomics:
I would ask him to give me his any five indicators of the economy (GDP grow, inflation, stock market, unemployment, etc etc etc) and I would pretty much show him that there was very little to no relationship
You may well be right. But James Carville will disagree, at least when it comes to politics.
Of course, politics might bear no relation to reality.
But in politics, perception is reality.
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Somewhat related: I'm currently trying to hire - we're offering 6-figures for a basic engineering position. So far we've had all of two applicants, both referrals, and both only want to work remotely, which isn't going to happen.
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Somewhat related: I'm currently trying to hire - we're offering 6-figures for a basic engineering position. So far we've had all of two applicants, both referrals, and both only want to work remotely, which isn't going to happen.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Bidenomics:
Somewhat related: I'm currently trying to hire - we're offering 6-figures for a basic engineering position. So far we've had all of two applicants, both referrals, and both only want to work remotely, which isn't going to happen.
Have you tried offering 7-figures?
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Bidenomics:
Somewhat related: I'm currently trying to hire - we're offering 6-figures for a basic engineering position. So far we've had all of two applicants, both referrals, and both only want to work remotely, which isn't going to happen.
Have you tried offering 7-figures?
@Axtremus said in Bidenomics:
Have you tried offering 7-figures?
I'd take the job if they offered that much.
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@George-K Agree. For probably the majority of people (and I dont really know majority % is) vote on emotional thinking rather than rational thinking.
@taiwan_girl said in Bidenomics:
@George-K Agree. For probably the majority of people (and I dont really know majority % is) vote on emotional thinking rather than rational thinking.
Most of my income currently is fixed. If you don't think people in my situation have not noticed how their income has shrunk under Biden, you are delusional.
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@taiwan_girl said in Bidenomics:
@George-K Agree. For probably the majority of people (and I dont really know majority % is) vote on emotional thinking rather than rational thinking.
Most of my income currently is fixed. If you don't think people in my situation have not noticed how their income has shrunk under Biden, you are delusional.
@Jolly said in Bidenomics:
@taiwan_girl said in Bidenomics:
@George-K Agree. For probably the majority of people (and I dont really know majority % is) vote on emotional thinking rather than rational thinking.
Most of my income currently is fixed. If you don't think people in my situation have not noticed how their income has shrunk under Biden, you are delusional.
I am not disagreeing. I am just saying that most people vote on emotion. I could post something about how the economy under Obama was better than under Trump, and there would be ALOT of people claiming otherwise. Or vice versa.
There was a chart I posted a while back (from the Customs/Border people) that showed that the number of illegal aliens coming into the US was basically flat from Obama through Trump. But many people will say that it was much lower under PResident Trump.
As @George-K says: politics is perception, and perception is not always reality.
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https://www.wsj.com/economy/stock-market-performance-biden-trump-charts-1a83371b
However, I've been assured that people don't live off of Wall Street.
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https://www.wsj.com/economy/stock-market-performance-biden-trump-charts-1a83371b
However, I've been assured that people don't live off of Wall Street.
@George-K said in Bidenomics:
https://www.wsj.com/economy/stock-market-performance-biden-trump-charts-1a83371b
However, I've been assured that people don't live off of Wall Street.
That adjusted for inflation chart is quite interesting.
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@George-K said in Bidenomics:
https://www.wsj.com/economy/stock-market-performance-biden-trump-charts-1a83371b
However, I've been assured that people don't live off of Wall Street.
That adjusted for inflation chart is quite interesting.
@LuFins-Dad said in Bidenomics:
That adjusted for inflation chart is quite interesting.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/trump-vs-biden-in-one-simple-chart/
Itâs a just small chart, running alongside an article on page A5 of the weekend edition of the Wall Street Journal, but it says so much about why Donald Trump â after losing his reelection bid, after January 6, after four indictments â is running ahead of Biden in most of the swing states. One closing paragraph summarizes the numbers:
Though inflation is falling now, it has been higher on average under Biden than Trump. Adjusted for inflation, [household] net worth was up just 0.7 percent through Bidenâs first three years, compared with 16 percent through Trumpâs first three years.
The numbers are from the Saint Louis Federal Reserve Bank.
And there you go. Americans donât blame Trump for Covid, so they give him a pass for the fourth year of his presidency and grade him on those first three years. A household net worth increasing 16 percent over three years is pretty good! And staying flat over three years is pretty bad. Sure, wages have increased over the past three years, but the corresponding increase in prices has eaten up almost all of those gains.
Will other issues matter in this election besides the economy? Sure. When Americans are asked open-ended questions about which issue is most important to their vote in the presidential election, immigration and the border consistently rank second. Abortion and the future of democracy get mentioned too, but theyâre always a distant third, usually mentioned as most important by about 10 percent of the electorate.
This fall, if Americans feel like their household net worth is increasing, theyâre likely to reelect Biden. If they feel like theyâre treading water or that everything is harder to afford, theyâre likely to reelect Trump. This isnât the only factor, but itâs the biggest factor.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Bidenomics:
That adjusted for inflation chart is quite interesting.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/trump-vs-biden-in-one-simple-chart/
Itâs a just small chart, running alongside an article on page A5 of the weekend edition of the Wall Street Journal, but it says so much about why Donald Trump â after losing his reelection bid, after January 6, after four indictments â is running ahead of Biden in most of the swing states. One closing paragraph summarizes the numbers:
Though inflation is falling now, it has been higher on average under Biden than Trump. Adjusted for inflation, [household] net worth was up just 0.7 percent through Bidenâs first three years, compared with 16 percent through Trumpâs first three years.
The numbers are from the Saint Louis Federal Reserve Bank.
And there you go. Americans donât blame Trump for Covid, so they give him a pass for the fourth year of his presidency and grade him on those first three years. A household net worth increasing 16 percent over three years is pretty good! And staying flat over three years is pretty bad. Sure, wages have increased over the past three years, but the corresponding increase in prices has eaten up almost all of those gains.
Will other issues matter in this election besides the economy? Sure. When Americans are asked open-ended questions about which issue is most important to their vote in the presidential election, immigration and the border consistently rank second. Abortion and the future of democracy get mentioned too, but theyâre always a distant third, usually mentioned as most important by about 10 percent of the electorate.
This fall, if Americans feel like their household net worth is increasing, theyâre likely to reelect Biden. If they feel like theyâre treading water or that everything is harder to afford, theyâre likely to reelect Trump. This isnât the only factor, but itâs the biggest factor.
@George-K said in Bidenomics:
@LuFins-Dad said in Bidenomics:
That adjusted for inflation chart is quite interesting.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/trump-vs-biden-in-one-simple-chart/
Itâs a just small chart, running alongside an article on page A5 of the weekend edition of the Wall Street Journal, but it says so much about why Donald Trump â after losing his reelection bid, after January 6, after four indictments â is running ahead of Biden in most of the swing states. One closing paragraph summarizes the numbers:
Though inflation is falling now, it has been higher on average under Biden than Trump. Adjusted for inflation, [household] net worth was up just 0.7 percent through Bidenâs first three years, compared with 16 percent through Trumpâs first three years.
The numbers are from the Saint Louis Federal Reserve Bank.
And there you go. Americans donât blame Trump for Covid, so they give him a pass for the fourth year of his presidency and grade him on those first three years. A household net worth increasing 16 percent over three years is pretty good! And staying flat over three years is pretty bad. Sure, wages have increased over the past three years, but the corresponding increase in prices has eaten up almost all of those gains.
Will other issues matter in this election besides the economy? Sure. When Americans are asked open-ended questions about which issue is most important to their vote in the presidential election, immigration and the border consistently rank second. Abortion and the future of democracy get mentioned too, but theyâre always a distant third, usually mentioned as most important by about 10 percent of the electorate.
This fall, if Americans feel like their household net worth is increasing, theyâre likely to reelect Biden. If they feel like theyâre treading water or that everything is harder to afford, theyâre likely to reelect Trump. This isnât the only factor, but itâs the biggest factor.
The problems with that analysis:
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Most of that inflation is on Lame Donaldâs policies than it is on Uncle President Joeâs. It was Trumpâs Payroll Protection plan, and multiple stimulus bills that dumped so much cash into the M1. Before @Jolly replies that Biden would have been worse, he likely would have been, but wouldâve â did. The Payroll Protection Act was the absolute worst legislation ever. Before @Doctor-Phibes and @taiwan_girl chime in about global inflation, a reminder that the USD IS the global currency. What happens to the USD happens to everyone. If various other Governments pumped more of their own currency into the system, that just makes it worse, but it starts with the USD.
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Trump absolutely shouldnât be absolved for COVID year. That SHTF moment has to be factored into your voting decisions. That was the moment you needed somebody up for the job. Trump fell well short of the task. Yes, Biden would probably have been worse, but Trump was the guy that crapped all over himself and the country. He was responsible for the single largest restriction on civil rights since slavery. He screwed over the tax payer with the absurd stimulus, and he let Fauci⌠Just never mind. Iâm getting more pissed by the minute.
The fact is that Trump shit the bed in the big moment. How can you expect him to not do the same thing again?
The Brad
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