Puzzle time - integers

jon-nyc · wrote on 20 Jul 2020, 11:29

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On the right track but not quite there

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Klaus · wrote on 20 Jul 2020, 11:32

So you are saying my last statement is wrong, or are you saying it's not precise enough?

jon-nyc · wrote on 20 Jul 2020, 11:37

Depends on how one defines ‘noise‘. But what I really mean is “from what I infer from your words you’re still missing an insight here”

Klaus · wrote on 20 Jul 2020, 11:59

OK, here's a precise version of the statement:

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There is a number N, such that for all n >N, n is not in S if and only if the last digit of n is 0 or 5.

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Is that correct?

jon-nyc · wrote on 20 Jul 2020, 12:02

Yes but tell me N. You’re missing something or you would know what N is.

Klaus · wrote on 20 Jul 2020, 12:10

N is smaller than or equal to 2915. Now don't tell me you want me to worry about selecting a particular number between 1 and 2915!!!

jon-nyc · wrote on 20 Jul 2020, 13:10

Yes I do.

jon-nyc · wrote on 20 Jul 2020, 18:14

What Klaus missed:

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The only ‘noise’ (besides all multiples of 5) is the number 1.

2 is granted which gets you all numbers ending in 2 or 7.
7^2 is 49 which gets you all the numbers ending in 9 and 4 above that
after 49 is 54. 54^2 is 3136 which gets you all the numbers ending in 6 or 1 above it.
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once you have the *6s, you’ll get to 6^8 which gets you back to 6 and 11, etc.
that gets you to 16 which gets you back to 4 and 9
that 9 gets you back to 3 and 8

So we have 2,3,4,6,7,8,9 covered plus any number that is a multiple of 5 above them.

So only 1 is missing, along with all multiples of 5

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Klaus · wrote on 20 Jul 2020, 20:52

Nice!

54^2 is 2916 and not 3136, though - that was the source of the 2915 bound I was giving above. So my bound was pointing in the right direction

jon-nyc · wrote on 20 Jul 2020, 20:58

My math buddy at CS pointed out that Fermat’s Little Theorem could help here too rather than finding actual paths back to the lower numbers.

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