Butker calls it out.
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The IVF stuff and surrogacy issues? Sure, I can see controversy. The abortion stuff? In this context, there shouldn’t be any public outcry. He’s a Catholic, expressing Catholic Views at a Catholic School. Promoting the idea that being a stay at home mother might be a good choice for women? It’s absurd that that’s controversial. The same people upset about it applaud when a man chooses to stay at home and be a caretaker. They support a man doing it but not a woman? Isn’t that the whole point of feminism?
All of the reaction supports the primary point of his speech that nobody except @Mik is addressing, disorder.
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Disordered seems to be the preferred or desired state of being in our present times. Doesn’t matter from what ideological, religious, social or cultural background or inclination, all seem to trend towards disorder.
Seems that everyone has their own smoke to blow for whatever reason.
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And @taiwan_girl ? I will say it flat out. The moments of my life before Lucas was born are nowhere near as important or as dear as those moments after. That’s not to diminish the earlier life, but to emphasize how different and improved my life is. Karla would agree.
Unfortunately, these days we devalue parenthood and the important roles they play. And the results are becoming more and more obvious.
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And @taiwan_girl ? I will say it flat out. The moments of my life before Lucas was born are nowhere near as important or as dear as those moments after. That’s not to diminish the earlier life, but to emphasize how different and improved my life is. Karla would agree.
Unfortunately, these days we devalue parenthood and the important roles they play. And the results are becoming more and more obvious.
@LuFins-Dad said in Butker calls it out.:
The moments of my life before Lucas was born are nowhere near as important or as dear as those moments after. That’s not to diminish the earlier life, but to emphasize how different and improved my life is. Karla would agree..
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A bit of a strawman switheroo there, buddy; reflecting on the relative importance/preciousness of different moments of one’s life is not the same as claiming that one’s life hasn’t really started before certain moment/event.
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If Butker said whatever he said of his own life (and even adds that his wife would agree), there would be no controversy. But no, he said of someone else’s life, he said of his wife’s life, that her life didn’t “truly start” before she begin living her vocation as a wife and as a mother.[*]
So …
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Just because you feel that your life before certain event/moment was less important/precious does not mean anyone else’s life is as well.
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Any of us, imagine saying out loud or posting in public proclaiming that “[my spouse]’s life truly started when he/she began living her/her vocation as a [spouse] and as a [parent]” … see what happens.
[*] Taking Butker’s words as is, one can also ask what happens to the lives of those who never married or never been a parent. Take Biblical Jesus, for example, Biblical Jesus basically died (and resurrected and remain) single, a virgin, and childless; has Biblical Jesus’ life never “truly started” then using Butker’s standard?
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The sisters respond.
https://www.mountosb.org/ - right on the front page.
As a founding institution and sponsor of Benedictine College, the sisters of Mount St. Scholastica find it necessary to respond to the controversial remarks of Harrison Butker as commencement speaker.
Statement in Response to the 2024
Benedictine College Commencement AddressThe sisters of Mount St. Scholastica do not believe that Harrison Butker’s comments in his 2024 Benedictine College commencement address represent the Catholic, Benedictine, liberal arts college that our founders envisioned and in which we have been so invested.
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@taiwan_girl said in Butker calls it out.:
@Renauda As usual, good points. Thanks!
So, you love him, but not me. Hmmmph.
@Mik said in Butker calls it out.:
@taiwan_girl said in Butker calls it out.:
@Renauda As usual, good points. Thanks!
So, you love him, but not me. Hmmmph.
I love you too!! :couplekiss:
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@taiwan_girl Did you listen to his speech?
@Jolly said in Butker calls it out.:
@taiwan_girl Did you listen to his speech?
Just read the transcript, but did not listen to the verbal speech.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Butker calls it out.:
The moments of my life before Lucas was born are nowhere near as important or as dear as those moments after. That’s not to diminish the earlier life, but to emphasize how different and improved my life is. Karla would agree..
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A bit of a strawman switheroo there, buddy; reflecting on the relative importance/preciousness of different moments of one’s life is not the same as claiming that one’s life hasn’t really started before certain moment/event.
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If Butker said whatever he said of his own life (and even adds that his wife would agree), there would be no controversy. But no, he said of someone else’s life, he said of his wife’s life, that her life didn’t “truly start” before she begin living her vocation as a wife and as a mother.[*]
So …
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Just because you feel that your life before certain event/moment was less important/precious does not mean anyone else’s life is as well.
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Any of us, imagine saying out loud or posting in public proclaiming that “[my spouse]’s life truly started when he/she began living her/her vocation as a [spouse] and as a [parent]” … see what happens.
[*] Taking Butker’s words as is, one can also ask what happens to the lives of those who never married or never been a parent. Take Biblical Jesus, for example, Biblical Jesus basically died (and resurrected and remain) single, a virgin, and childless; has Biblical Jesus’ life never “truly started” then using Butker’s standard?
@Axtremus said in Butker calls it out.:
@LuFins-Dad said in Butker calls it out.:
The moments of my life before Lucas was born are nowhere near as important or as dear as those moments after. That’s not to diminish the earlier life, but to emphasize how different and improved my life is. Karla would agree..
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A bit of a strawman switheroo there, buddy; reflecting on the relative importance/preciousness of different moments of one’s life is not the same as claiming that one’s life hasn’t really started before certain moment/event.
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If Butker said whatever he said of his own life (and even adds that his wife would agree), there would be no controversy. But no, he said of someone else’s life, he said of his wife’s life, that her life didn’t “truly start” before she begin living her vocation as a wife and as a mother.[*]
So …
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Just because you feel that your life before certain event/moment was less important/precious does not mean anyone else’s life is as well.
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Any of us, imagine saying out loud or posting in public proclaiming that “[my spouse]’s life truly started when he/she began living her/her vocation as a [spouse] and as a [parent]” … see what happens.
[*] Taking Butker’s words as is, one can also ask what happens to the lives of those who never married or never been a parent. Take Biblical Jesus, for example, Biblical Jesus basically died (and resurrected and remain) single, a virgin, and childless; has Biblical Jesus’ life never “truly started” then using Butker’s standard?
Geez, you're a dick...
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He's taking the bleedin' Mickey, innit!
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How dare he call me a bag of assholes. I'm a wanker, just ask anybody.
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Never mind all that namby pamby self-affirming bollocks. The public has a right to know - WJHT?
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Never mind all that namby pamby self-affirming bollocks. The public has a right to know - WJHT?
@Doctor-Phibes said in Butker calls it out.:
Never mind all that namby pamby self-affirming bollocks. The public has a right to know - WJHT?
Mother Fucker…
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I really haven't paid much attention to this ginned-up controversy.
Lemme see if I get it right:
Football player expresses his values and a nation is outraged. Is that correct?
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I really haven't paid much attention to this ginned-up controversy.
Lemme see if I get it right:
Football player expresses his values and a nation is outraged. Is that correct?
@George-K said in Butker calls it out.:
I really haven't paid much attention to this ginned-up controversy.
Lemme see if I get it right:
Football player expresses his values and a nation is outraged. Is that correct?
I wouldn’t say nation, just the sammich makers.
