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Butker calls it out.

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  • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

    @Renauda As usual, good points. Thanks!

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    #84

    @taiwan_girl said in Butker calls it out.:

    @Renauda As usual, good points. Thanks!

    So, you love him, but not me. Hmmmph.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

      @Mik It seems there is some subtle in the language. If your analysis is correct, I would have said some thing like

      "My wife would be the first to say that her life became more fulfilling when she began............"

      To say "that her life truly started when..............." seems to diminish what happened before.

      (Again, sounds like a bit of subtle in the English language that I am missing)

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      Jolly
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      #85

      @taiwan_girl Did you listen to his speech?

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • AxtremusA Axtremus

        Wonder if his wife agrees with what he said about her.

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        #86

        @Axtremus said in Butker calls it out.:

        Wonder if his wife agrees with what he said about her.

        Yes.

        Next...

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • LuFins DadL Offline
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          LuFins Dad
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          #87

          The IVF stuff and surrogacy issues? Sure, I can see controversy. The abortion stuff? In this context, there shouldn’t be any public outcry. He’s a Catholic, expressing Catholic Views at a Catholic School. Promoting the idea that being a stay at home mother might be a good choice for women? It’s absurd that that’s controversial. The same people upset about it applaud when a man chooses to stay at home and be a caretaker. They support a man doing it but not a woman? Isn’t that the whole point of feminism?

          All of the reaction supports the primary point of his speech that nobody except @Mik is addressing, disorder.

          The Brad

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            #88

            @LuFins-Dad

            Disordered seems to be the preferred or desired state of being in our present times. Doesn’t matter from what ideological, religious, social or cultural background or inclination, all seem to trend towards disorder.

            Seems that everyone has their own smoke to blow for whatever reason.

            Elbows up!

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              LuFins Dad
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              #89

              And @taiwan_girl ? I will say it flat out. The moments of my life before Lucas was born are nowhere near as important or as dear as those moments after. That’s not to diminish the earlier life, but to emphasize how different and improved my life is. Karla would agree.

              Unfortunately, these days we devalue parenthood and the important roles they play. And the results are becoming more and more obvious.

              The Brad

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              • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                And @taiwan_girl ? I will say it flat out. The moments of my life before Lucas was born are nowhere near as important or as dear as those moments after. That’s not to diminish the earlier life, but to emphasize how different and improved my life is. Karla would agree.

                Unfortunately, these days we devalue parenthood and the important roles they play. And the results are becoming more and more obvious.

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                Axtremus
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                #90

                @LuFins-Dad said in Butker calls it out.:

                The moments of my life before Lucas was born are nowhere near as important or as dear as those moments after. That’s not to diminish the earlier life, but to emphasize how different and improved my life is. Karla would agree..

                1. A bit of a strawman switheroo there, buddy; reflecting on the relative importance/preciousness of different moments of one’s life is not the same as claiming that one’s life hasn’t really started before certain moment/event.

                2. If Butker said whatever he said of his own life (and even adds that his wife would agree), there would be no controversy. But no, he said of someone else’s life, he said of his wife’s life, that her life didn’t “truly start” before she begin living her vocation as a wife and as a mother.[*]

                So …

                • Just because you feel that your life before certain event/moment was less important/precious does not mean anyone else’s life is as well.

                • Any of us, imagine saying out loud or posting in public proclaiming that “[my spouse]’s life truly started when he/she began living her/her vocation as a [spouse] and as a [parent]” … see what happens.

                [*] Taking Butker’s words as is, one can also ask what happens to the lives of those who never married or never been a parent. Take Biblical Jesus, for example, Biblical Jesus basically died (and resurrected and remain) single, a virgin, and childless; has Biblical Jesus’ life never “truly started” then using Butker’s standard?

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                  The sisters respond.

                  https://www.mountosb.org/ - right on the front page.

                  As a founding institution and sponsor of Benedictine College, the sisters of Mount St. Scholastica find it necessary to respond to the controversial remarks of Harrison Butker as commencement speaker.

                  Statement in Response to the 2024
                  Benedictine College Commencement Address

                  The sisters of Mount St. Scholastica do not believe that Harrison Butker’s comments in his 2024 Benedictine College commencement address represent the Catholic, Benedictine, liberal arts college that our founders envisioned and in which we have been so invested.
                  ...

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                  • MikM Mik

                    @taiwan_girl said in Butker calls it out.:

                    @Renauda As usual, good points. Thanks!

                    So, you love him, but not me. Hmmmph.

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                    taiwan_girl
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                    @Mik said in Butker calls it out.:

                    @taiwan_girl said in Butker calls it out.:

                    @Renauda As usual, good points. Thanks!

                    So, you love him, but not me. Hmmmph.

                    I love you too!! :couplekiss:

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                    • JollyJ Jolly

                      @taiwan_girl Did you listen to his speech?

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                      @Jolly said in Butker calls it out.:

                      @taiwan_girl Did you listen to his speech?

                      Just read the transcript, but did not listen to the verbal speech.

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                      • AxtremusA Axtremus

                        @LuFins-Dad said in Butker calls it out.:

                        The moments of my life before Lucas was born are nowhere near as important or as dear as those moments after. That’s not to diminish the earlier life, but to emphasize how different and improved my life is. Karla would agree..

                        1. A bit of a strawman switheroo there, buddy; reflecting on the relative importance/preciousness of different moments of one’s life is not the same as claiming that one’s life hasn’t really started before certain moment/event.

                        2. If Butker said whatever he said of his own life (and even adds that his wife would agree), there would be no controversy. But no, he said of someone else’s life, he said of his wife’s life, that her life didn’t “truly start” before she begin living her vocation as a wife and as a mother.[*]

                        So …

                        • Just because you feel that your life before certain event/moment was less important/precious does not mean anyone else’s life is as well.

                        • Any of us, imagine saying out loud or posting in public proclaiming that “[my spouse]’s life truly started when he/she began living her/her vocation as a [spouse] and as a [parent]” … see what happens.

                        [*] Taking Butker’s words as is, one can also ask what happens to the lives of those who never married or never been a parent. Take Biblical Jesus, for example, Biblical Jesus basically died (and resurrected and remain) single, a virgin, and childless; has Biblical Jesus’ life never “truly started” then using Butker’s standard?

                        JollyJ Offline
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                        @Axtremus said in Butker calls it out.:

                        @LuFins-Dad said in Butker calls it out.:

                        The moments of my life before Lucas was born are nowhere near as important or as dear as those moments after. That’s not to diminish the earlier life, but to emphasize how different and improved my life is. Karla would agree..

                        1. A bit of a strawman switheroo there, buddy; reflecting on the relative importance/preciousness of different moments of one’s life is not the same as claiming that one’s life hasn’t really started before certain moment/event.

                        2. If Butker said whatever he said of his own life (and even adds that his wife would agree), there would be no controversy. But no, he said of someone else’s life, he said of his wife’s life, that her life didn’t “truly start” before she begin living her vocation as a wife and as a mother.[*]

                        So …

                        • Just because you feel that your life before certain event/moment was less important/precious does not mean anyone else’s life is as well.

                        • Any of us, imagine saying out loud or posting in public proclaiming that “[my spouse]’s life truly started when he/she began living her/her vocation as a [spouse] and as a [parent]” … see what happens.

                        [*] Taking Butker’s words as is, one can also ask what happens to the lives of those who never married or never been a parent. Take Biblical Jesus, for example, Biblical Jesus basically died (and resurrected and remain) single, a virgin, and childless; has Biblical Jesus’ life never “truly started” then using Butker’s standard?

                        Geez, you're a dick...

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          #95

                          Ax sure knows how to ruffle your old rooster feathers, Foghorn.

                          The Brits call it “taking the piss”. I just find it extremely amusing.

                          Elbows up!

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                            He's taking the bleedin' Mickey, innit!

                            I was only joking

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                              Jolly
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                              Greg weighs in...

                              https://rumble.com/v4vum29-gutfeld-on-the-phony-outrage-mob-youre-a-bag-of-assholes.html

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                Spot on.

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  Doctor Phibes
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                                  #99

                                  How dare he call me a bag of assholes. I'm a wanker, just ask anybody.

                                  I was only joking

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                                    LuFins Dad
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                                    Read some of the replies.

                                    The Brad

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                                      Doctor Phibes
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                                      Never mind all that namby pamby self-affirming bollocks. The public has a right to know - WJHT?

                                      I was only joking

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                                      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                        Never mind all that namby pamby self-affirming bollocks. The public has a right to know - WJHT?

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                                        #102

                                        @Doctor-Phibes said in Butker calls it out.:

                                        Never mind all that namby pamby self-affirming bollocks. The public has a right to know - WJHT?

                                        Mother Fucker…

                                        The Brad

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                                          #103

                                          The Butker controversy made it to the Daily Show.
                                          Jon Stewart on Butker and the Cancel Culture:

                                          Link to video

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