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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    #121

    Screenshot 2023-11-03 at 11.51.07 AM.png

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • George KG Offline
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      George K
      wrote on last edited by
      #122

      image007.jpeg

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • George KG Offline
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        George K
        wrote on last edited by
        #123

        F_GawW8WkAAoOG7.jpeg

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

          "FTX cryptocurrency exchange founder Sam Bankman-Fried is "subsisting on bread and water" because the federal jail where he is being held ahead of his fraud trial has not provided him with a vegan diet as he requested, his lawyer said on Tuesday."

          LOL

          https://www.reuters.com/legal/jailed-ftx-founder-bankman-fried-return-court-new-plea-2023-08-22/

          JollyJ Offline
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          Jolly
          wrote on last edited by
          #124

          @taiwan_girl said in SBF/FTX:

          "FTX cryptocurrency exchange founder Sam Bankman-Fried is "subsisting on bread and water" because the federal jail where he is being held ahead of his fraud trial has not provided him with a vegan diet as he requested, his lawyer said on Tuesday."

          LOL

          https://www.reuters.com/legal/jailed-ftx-founder-bankman-fried-return-court-new-plea-2023-08-22/

          He won't subsist on it long. Do you know what happens to a prisoner fed a diet of nothing but bread and water?

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • George KG Offline
            George KG Offline
            George K
            wrote on last edited by
            #125

            Because names might get revealed?

            image.jpeg

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • George KG Offline
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              George K
              wrote on last edited by
              #126

              https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/sam-bankman-fried-sentenced-25-years-prison-orchestrating-ftx-fraud-rcna145286

              Sam Bankman-Fried was sentenced Thursday to 25 years in prison for his role in defrauding users of the collapsed cryptocurrency exchange FTX.

              In a federal courtroom in lower Manhattan, U.S. District Judge Lewis Kaplan called the defense argument misleading, logically flawed and speculative.

              He said Bankman-Fried had obstructed justice and tampered with witnesses in mounting his defense — something Kaplan said he weighed in his sentencing decision.

              Bankman-Fried, wearing a beige jailhouse jumpsuit, struck an apologetic tone, saying he had made a series of "selfish" decisions while leading FTX and "threw it all away."

              "It haunts me every day," he said in his statement.

              Prosecutors had sought as much as 50 years, while Bankman-Fried's legal team argued for no more than 6½ years. He was convicted on seven criminal counts in November and had been held at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn since.

              In a statement following Thursday's sentencing, Damian Williams, United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York, said Bankman-Fried had orchestrated one of the largest frauds in financial history.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • 89th8 Offline
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                89th
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                #127

                More political prosecution. When will it end.

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                • jon-nycJ Offline
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                  jon-nyc
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #128

                  The ironic thing is that bankruptcy recovery looks like it will be 100%. Debt is trading at time value of money - betting when they’ll get it not if.

                  Only non-witches get due process.

                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                  • HoraceH Offline
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                    Horace
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                    #129

                    This fact that they'll recover all the money, and SBF didn't lose it all after all, is not fitting easily into the public narrative.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                    • jon-nycJ Offline
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                      #130

                      He invested customer money in solana and anthropic ai which have taken off

                      Only non-witches get due process.

                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                      • LuFins DadL Offline
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                        LuFins Dad
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                        #131

                        It doesn’t change the fact that he invested much of it illegally. The ultimate success or failures of the investment are irrelevant to a fair extent.

                        The Brad

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                        • jon-nycJ Offline
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                          jon-nyc
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                          #132

                          Not at all. And for a time it was insolvent. But even if that had never happened, advertising segregated customer funds and then using them for investing is fraud. Even if it were to end up being ‘victimless’.

                          (Ask the non-resident if you want confirmation)

                          Only non-witches get due process.

                          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                            Not at all. And for a time it was insolvent. But even if that had never happened, advertising segregated customer funds and then using them for investing is fraud. Even if it were to end up being ‘victimless’.

                            (Ask the non-resident if you want confirmation)

                            LuFins DadL Offline
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                            LuFins Dad
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #133

                            @jon-nyc said in SBF/FTX:

                            Not at all. And for a time it was insolvent. But even if that had never happened, advertising segregated customer funds and then using them for investing is fraud. Even if it were to end up being ‘victimless’.

                            (Ask the non-resident if you want confirmation)

                            But… Does it impact the penalties? He got 25 years, prosecutors wanted 50, and Friedman’s attorneys wanted 6… If the sentencing occurred 5 months ago, would Friedman have gotten closer to the 50 years? If the crypto rally had started a month earlier and Solana went up another 100% and now the investors are showing profit, would the sentence be closer to 10?

                            The Brad

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                              jon-nyc
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                              #134

                              Good question. I think he was hurt in sentencing by cheating on his terms of release.

                              But I haven’t followed that closely.

                              Only non-witches get due process.

                              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                #135

                                Ken White’s podcast on the sentencing is called ‘Sam Bankmam Unfreed’

                                Only non-witches get due process.

                                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #136

                                  https://apnews.com/article/caroline-ellison-ftx-sentencing-64825081eae35afb0d14a278130c9526

                                  Caroline Ellison, a former top executive in FTX founder Sam Bankman-Fried ’s collapsed cryptocurrency empire and his former girlfriend, is seeking no prison time at her sentencing later this month.

                                  Lawyers for Ellison made the request shortly before midnight Tuesday in a filing in Manhattan federal court in advance of a sentencing scheduled for Sept. 24.

                                  The lawyers cited her immediate and extensive cooperation with U.S. authorities when FTX and related companies collapsed in November 2022, and they noted that the court’s Probation Department recommended that she serve no prison time.

                                  Ellison, 29, pleaded guilty nearly two years ago in the prosecution and testified against Bankman-Fried for nearly three days at his trial last November. After his conviction, Bankman-Fried was sentenced to 25 years in prison. Without her cooperation, Ellison could have faced decades in prison.

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                                  • HoraceH Offline
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                                    Horace
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                                    #137

                                    Brilliant. If I ever get convicted of a felony, I'm totally seeking no prison time. That's the kind of outside-the-box thinking they don't teach in law school.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                    • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                                      taiwan_girl
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                                      #138

                                      https://www.theverge.com/2024/9/24/24249490/caroline-ellison-sentence-ftx-alameda-fraud

                                      Caroline Ellison, the former CEO of Alameda Research, was sentenced to 24 months in prison for her role in the FTX collapse. She must also forfeit $11 billion.

                                      and

                                      In sharp contrast to Bankman-Fried, Ellison appears to truly regret her role in the fraud. We know this not just because of her cooperation agreement — but because she confessed and apologized to her staff in a meeting she didn’t know was taped. That taped confession, in addition to sealing Bankman-Fried’s fate, also demonstrated her contrition.

                                      There were some other mitigating factors, besides Ellison’s honesty. She was the only coconspirator who did not have equity in Alameda or FTX, and “the government found no evidence that Ellison enjoyed the wealth generated by the fraud,” prosecutors wrote.

                                      Ellison has already experienced significant fallout. Her diaries have been splashed across the pages of The New York Times, her psychiatrist gave an interview about her to Michael Lewis for his book Going Infinite, and she was derided in shockingly misogynistic language by large chunks of the crypto community she’d once been a part of. She’s been unable to find paying work and is afraid to go out in public

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                                      • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                        https://www.theverge.com/2024/9/24/24249490/caroline-ellison-sentence-ftx-alameda-fraud

                                        Caroline Ellison, the former CEO of Alameda Research, was sentenced to 24 months in prison for her role in the FTX collapse. She must also forfeit $11 billion.

                                        and

                                        In sharp contrast to Bankman-Fried, Ellison appears to truly regret her role in the fraud. We know this not just because of her cooperation agreement — but because she confessed and apologized to her staff in a meeting she didn’t know was taped. That taped confession, in addition to sealing Bankman-Fried’s fate, also demonstrated her contrition.

                                        There were some other mitigating factors, besides Ellison’s honesty. She was the only coconspirator who did not have equity in Alameda or FTX, and “the government found no evidence that Ellison enjoyed the wealth generated by the fraud,” prosecutors wrote.

                                        Ellison has already experienced significant fallout. Her diaries have been splashed across the pages of The New York Times, her psychiatrist gave an interview about her to Michael Lewis for his book Going Infinite, and she was derided in shockingly misogynistic language by large chunks of the crypto community she’d once been a part of. She’s been unable to find paying work and is afraid to go out in public

                                        George KG Offline
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                                        George K
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #139

                                        @taiwan_girl said in SBF/FTX:

                                        She must also forfeit $11 billion.

                                        How much does she have left after that, I wonder. Anything?

                                        “the government found no evidence that Ellison enjoyed the wealth generated by the fraud,” prosecutors wrote.

                                        Oh, how did she get that $11 billion?

                                        Also, P-Diddy and Bankman-Fried are sharing a "common location" in the dormitory-style prison.

                                        So, there's that. I guess.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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