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LuFins Dad · wrote on 16 Jul 2020, 19:40

Here's the real dangers in that poster IMO:

"Self-reliance - Independence & autonomy highly valued + rewarded" these are positive human attributes regardless of race... Every person should aspire to those ideals. I would think that a race that spent 300 years in slavery would particularly value independence and autonomy. To do otherwise is to ask for shackles.

"Emphasis on Scientific Method - Objective, rational thinking - Cause and effect relationships - Quantitative emphasis" again, what's the problem? Seems pretty reasonable to me. What is the reasonable alternative? By the way, empirical methods for both science and social issues were first developed and used in Northern Africa...

"Justice - Based on English common law" Not entirely, especially since English common law has influences from around the world, but aside from that, yeah? So what? Got something better? Didn't think so.

They then sprinkle the above statements into absolutely absurd stereotypes like "Win at all costs - Wife subordinate to the husband - If you didn't reach your goals, you didn't work hard enough" in an obvious attempt to paint those other ideals as being equally ludicrous.

Horace · 16 Jul 2020, 20:54

Is there a similar poster about values of other cultures? I would be fascinated to see it, if anybody can link to one.

George K · H Horace 16 Jul 2020, 20:49

@Horace said in "Whiteness":

Is there a similar poster about values of other cultures? I would be fascinated to see it, if anybody can link to one.

"Other cultures?"

Hell, I'd like to see a poster like that about black cultures.

Can you imagine if there were comments about black aesthetics? It would be branded as racist faster than you can say Sir-Mix-A-Lot.

Rainman · wrote on 17 Jul 2020, 02:29

LuFins Dad, great post above!

Actually, lots of great posts in this thread.

But none of you have been able to answer what to me is a fundamental question, which is:

If a black man and a white woman have a kid,
why isn't the kid gray?
hmmm?

jon-nyc · wrote on 17 Jul 2020, 02:38

LuFins Dad · 17 Jul 2020, 03:06

That doesn’t change the fact that somebody actually created the chart and it was approved for publication and posting. I am still flabbergasted that they disparaged autonomy and independence as “whiteness”.

Loki · wrote on 17 Jul 2020, 03:06

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Aqua Letifer · wrote on 17 Jul 2020, 04:29

"Productive conversation."

I'll stay with "21st Century Racism" for 300, Alex!

Jolly · wrote on 17 Jul 2020, 11:20

Right now, the most productive conversation about race, is no conversation about race.

George K · wrote on 17 Jul 2020, 11:22

"Let's have a conversations" means "Shut UP, and listen to what I say."

Copper · wrote on 17 Jul 2020, 16:02

NMAAHC

Get a job, creep

George K · wrote on 17 Jul 2020, 22:50

Jonah GOldberg:

https://thedispatch.com/p/when-bigotry-comes-from-unexpected

If I were to say to a black friend, never mind a black stranger or co-worker, “Look, I understand your culture doesn’t value punctuality or hard work the way mine does ...” would that be better? It would certainly be impolite to say the least.

Occasionally impolite, I guess.

Catseye3 · 18 Jul 2020, 00:11

"[T]he worst thing is that this garbage is almost designed to make race relations worse." No duh?

Can't really articulate why, but I feel like this whole essay should not have been written.

Horace · wrote on 17 Jul 2020, 23:10

"[T]he worst thing is that this garbage is almost designed to make race relations worse."

"Almost"? The left salivates at the idea of worse race relations. And the easiest way they can do that is to increase the perception of racism.

Larry · wrote on 17 Jul 2020, 23:25

The Left/democrats have always been the racists.

LuFins Dad · 18 Jul 2020, 09:11

@Catseye3 said in "Whiteness":

"[T]he worst thing is that this garbage is almost designed to make race relations worse." No duh?

Can't really articulate why, but I feel like this whole essay should not have been written.

Goldberg’s essay shouldn’t have been written? Why? It was perfect and needs to be shared far and wide, IMO. It makes perfect sense that the graphic was based on research by a white millennial.

Horace · wrote on 18 Jul 2020, 00:39

Cats often expresses her desire for the world to shut up about certain things.

Catseye3 · wrote on 18 Jul 2020, 00:41

I do? Really?

Catseye3 · 18 Jul 2020, 11:58

@LuFins-Dad said in "Whiteness":

Goldberg’s essay shouldn’t have been written? Why?

I don't mean the subject shouldn't be written about. I said I couldn't articulate my reasons for saying what I did about this particular piece, and I still can't. Something to do with the very obviousness of his message being insulting to both races.

One commenter said: "I also think featuring [the graphic] and then spending multiple paragraphs dunking on it is choosing to engage with a very bad and dumb version of progressive anti-racist ideology." This sort of gets at what I mean.

LuFins Dad · wrote on 18 Jul 2020, 11:58

@Catseye3 said in "Whiteness":

One commenter said: "I also think featuring [the graphic] and then spending multiple paragraphs dunking on it is choosing to engage with a very bad and dumb version of progressive anti-racist ideology." This sort of gets at what I mean.

If this was some stupid meme posted to Facebook, sure. If this was on a pamphlet circulated by some millennials, maybe. This was created, approved, and published by The Smithsonian. The research it was based on was generated by one of the most prominent activists on social justice in the US. This isn’t some out there group, this was the freaking Smithsonian.

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