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  • AxtremusA Offline
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    Axtremus
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    #68

    Biden is a net tax cutter:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/25/us/politics/biden-taxes-cuts.html?unlocked_article_code=1.fU0.c7hh.FFPYcLlWzOLM

    President Biden has called for $5 trillion in new taxes on corporations and high earners. But his record so far is as a net tax cutter.

    The math is straightforward. ... the tax cuts Mr. Biden has signed for individuals and corporations are larger than the tax increases he has imposed on big corporations and their shareholders.

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    • George KG Offline
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      George K
      wrote on last edited by
      #69

      The cost of making popcorn:

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • George KG George K

        The cost of making popcorn:

        LuFins DadL Offline
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        LuFins Dad
        wrote on last edited by
        #70

        @George-K said in Bidenomics:

        The cost of making popcorn:

        I’d suggest that he hire somebody to handle both his sourcing of ingredients and his accounting.
        alt text

        alt text

        Prices are up, but they aren’t up as high as he’s saying.

        The Brad

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        • George KG Offline
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          George K
          wrote on last edited by
          #71

          In January 2021, butter was $3.66 a pound. He was paying $1.80/lb.

          Now, butter is $4.63/lb - and that's what he's paying.

          For sugar, in Jan 2021, the cost was 68¢/lb. He was paying 46¢/lb.

          Sugar now is 98¢/lb. He's paying $1.01.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • JollyJ Offline
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            Jolly
            wrote on last edited by
            #72

            These guys don't shop at Piggly Wiggly.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • JollyJ Jolly

              These guys don't shop at Piggly Wiggly.

              LuFins DadL Offline
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              LuFins Dad
              wrote on last edited by
              #73

              @Jolly said in Bidenomics:

              These guys don't shop at Piggly Wiggly.

              Right. But he’s manipulating the numbers. He’s showing his wholesale cost in 21, and retail in 24. That’s not just fudging the numbers, that’s outright fraud. Letitia James would like to have a conversation with him…

              The Brad

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              • JollyJ Offline
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                Jolly
                wrote on last edited by
                #74

                I'll take your word for it. I don't know enough to accurately quote those costs.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • George KG George K

                  The cost of making popcorn:

                  AxtremusA Offline
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                  Axtremus
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #75

                  @George-K said in Bidenomics:

                  The cost of making popcorn:

                  Why no absolute number for labor cost?

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                  • LuFins DadL Offline
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                    LuFins Dad
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #76

                    The bitch of it is, it’s an unforced error and unneeded lie to make his point. It’s a 27% increase in butter. For the sake of this argument, let’s say that’s a universal increase on all materials. That doesn’t translate into only a 27% increase in his product price. With inflation, he’s also having to raise his wages, and to match that inflation, he has needed to raise his wages by the 20% per hour. Now I have no idea his volume and the labor costs involved per unit for his product, but you could easily see that being another 5%-7%. In addition, and this gets missed by most, if the company’s output volume stays the same and the costs have all increased dramatically, then the company must increase their profit margin to simply maintain.

                    The Brad

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                    • AxtremusA Offline
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                      Axtremus
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #77

                      Krugman:

                      Bidenomics Is Making China Angry. That’s OK.

                      https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/28/opinion/biden-trump-china.html

                      Trump made a big show of taking on China, but he was ineffective when in office and appears to have folded on TikTok when donor money was at stake. Biden talks more softly but is wielding a really big stick. Or to put it another way, Trump isn’t actually a tough guy on China; he just plays one on TV. Biden is the real deal.

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                      • George KG Offline
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                        George K
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                        #78

                        Why people don't feel good about the economy, from the WSJ:

                        Link to video

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • Aqua LetiferA Offline
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                          Aqua Letifer
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #79

                          I watched most of it but didn't hear any mention about the job market.

                          Please love yourself.

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                          • AxtremusA Axtremus

                            Krugman:

                            Bidenomics Is Making China Angry. That’s OK.

                            https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/28/opinion/biden-trump-china.html

                            Trump made a big show of taking on China, but he was ineffective when in office and appears to have folded on TikTok when donor money was at stake. Biden talks more softly but is wielding a really big stick. Or to put it another way, Trump isn’t actually a tough guy on China; he just plays one on TV. Biden is the real deal.

                            LuFins DadL Offline
                            LuFins DadL Offline
                            LuFins Dad
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #80

                            @Axtremus said in Bidenomics:

                            Krugman:

                            Bidenomics Is Making China Angry. That’s OK.

                            https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/28/opinion/biden-trump-china.html

                            Trump made a big show of taking on China, but he was ineffective when in office and appears to have folded on TikTok when donor money was at stake. Biden talks more softly but is wielding a really big stick. Or to put it another way, Trump isn’t actually a tough guy on China; he just plays one on TV. Biden is the real deal.

                            Snort. He should get a job writing for SNL.

                            The Brad

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                            • George KG Offline
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                              George K
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #81

                              Remember the article by Summers et al?

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • George KG George K

                                Remember the article by Summers et al?

                                Aqua LetiferA Offline
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                                Aqua Letifer
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #82

                                @George-K said in Bidenomics:

                                Remember the article by Summers et al?

                                I'm so old that I can remember when Millennials bitched about this very phenomenon 15 years ago, and boomers told them to stop whining because it didn't fit their narrative at the time.

                                This exact issue.

                                Please love yourself.

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                                • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                  @George-K said in Bidenomics:

                                  Remember the article by Summers et al?

                                  I'm so old that I can remember when Millennials bitched about this very phenomenon 15 years ago, and boomers told them to stop whining because it didn't fit their narrative at the time.

                                  This exact issue.

                                  George KG Offline
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                                  George K
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #83

                                  @Aqua-Letifer said in Bidenomics:

                                  This exact issue.

                                  We bought our first house in 1980. 13.25% mortgage on a $75K note. I wonder how the statistics of this tweet would compare to that.

                                  (too lazy to look it up)

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • CopperC Offline
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                                    Copper
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #84

                                    You're not a man until you pay 16.5% interest.

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                                    • CopperC Copper

                                      You're not a man until you pay 16.5% interest.

                                      George KG Offline
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                                      George K
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #85

                                      @Copper said in Bidenomics:

                                      You're not a man until you pay 16.5% interest.

                                      Yeah, that's true. My 1986 adjustable had that - actually 17.4% irrc.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • AxtremusA Offline
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                                        Axtremus
                                        wrote on last edited by Axtremus
                                        #86

                                        About home buying affordability referenced in reply #81, this is the underlying study:

                                        https://www.bankrate.com/real-estate/home-affordability-in-current-housing-market-study/

                                        Out of all 50 states and the District of Columbia, California requires the highest annual salary to afford a typical home at $197,057, followed by:
                                        Hawaii: $185,829
                                        District of Columbia: $167,871
                                        Massachusetts: $162,471
                                        Washington: $156,814

                                        Mississippi requires the lowest income to afford a home in the U.S. at $63,043, followed by:
                                        Ohio: $64,071
                                        Arkansas: $64,714
                                        Indiana: $65,143
                                        Kentucky: $65,186

                                        5 states where income required to afford a typical home grew the most
                                        Skyrocketing home prices in these states mean higher salaries are needed to afford a typical home
                                        Montana experienced the most significant increase of income needed to afford a typical home between January 2020 and January 2024, followed by Utah, Tennessee, South Carolina and Arizona.

                                        5 states where income required to afford a typical home grew the least
                                        The annual salary needed to afford a typical home grew the least in North Dakota, the District of Columbia, Louisiana, Illinois and Kansas between January 2020 and January 2024.

                                        By “salary,” I think they mean household income, or “combined salary” of both spouses; in which case $110,871 means roughly $55.5k each for a two-income household.

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                                        • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                          Biden is owning it.

                                          George KG Offline
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                                          George K
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #87

                                          @Axtremus said in Bidenomics:

                                          Biden is owning it.

                                          Unexpectedly!

                                          Surging gas prices and sky-high mortgages and rent sent inflation rising more than expected in March, adding to Americans’ prolonged and painful battle with high costs. That could force the Federal Reserve to keep its punishing rates higher for longer.

                                          US consumer prices picked up again last month, vaulting to a 3.5% increase for the 12 months ended in March, according to the latest Consumer Price Index data released Wednesday by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

                                          That’s up considerably from February’s 3.2% rate and marks the highest annual gain in the past six months. Friday’s report further highlights that the path to lower inflation remains extremely bumpy — and continue to be a drag on Americans’ hard-earned finances — and that any loosening of monetary policy might not happen soon.

                                          “You can kiss a June interest rate cut goodbye,” Greg McBride, chief financial analyst for Bankrate, wrote in commentary issued Wednesday.

                                          US futures tanked Wednesday after the release of the hotter-than-expected inflation data, with Dow futures falling by more than 475 points. Futures on the S&P fell by 1.25% and Nasdaq futures slipped by 1.3%. Treasury yields topped 4.5%.

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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