Hand the man a pen
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Yeah I know, the two Adams (200 years ago) and the disgraced Andrew Johnson. Good argument for Trump to skip.
@89th said in Hand the man a pen:
Yeah I know, the two Adams (200 years ago)
So, it's less outrageous because it's old? Is that your point?
and the disgraced Andrew Johnson.
Whose impeachment failed.
Don't get me wrong, I think Trump is a reprehensible, odious creature. But the fact that others in his position did the same thing do not earn your scorn says that your thinking is driven more by emotion than by fact.
And, you didn't address Ms. Pelosi - #2 in succession. Her behavior was...what's the word??
Ah, yeah, Trump-ey.
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You know the whataboutism is getting a bit desperate when you have to go that far back.
Is anybody going to point how stupid George Washington's hair looked?
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You know the whataboutism is getting a bit desperate when you have to go that far back.
Is anybody going to point how stupid George Washington's hair looked?
@Doctor-Phibes said in Hand the man a pen:
whataboutism is getting a bit desperate when you have to go that far back
Fair enough.
Is Nancy Pelosi too far back?
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Hand the man a pen:
whataboutism is getting a bit desperate when you have to go that far back
Fair enough.
Is Nancy Pelosi too far back?
@George-K said in Hand the man a pen:
Is Nancy Pelosi too far back?
If you can find a single case of me defending Nancy Pelosi, I'll give you $10.
When she tore up the speech, I didn't say 'Yeah, well, Trump's an asshole so that makes it OK'.
I was only joking
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@89th said in Hand the man a pen:
Ok, also looked at the 1200 election fraud convictions. It looks like:
In 2012 there were 63.
In 2016 there were 65.
In 2020 there were 18.
That is from the Heritage Foundation's own database that sums all 1200 election fraud convictions over the years.
That would actually tend to suggest there was a fair amount of uncaught/unprosecuted fraud in 2020.
@LuFins-Dad said in Hand the man a pen:
@89th said in Hand the man a pen:
Ok, also looked at the 1200 election fraud convictions. It looks like:
In 2012 there were 63.
In 2016 there were 65.
In 2020 there were 18.
That is from the Heritage Foundation's own database that sums all 1200 election fraud convictions over the years.
That would actually tend to suggest there was a fair amount of uncaught/unprosecuted fraud in 2020.
Kindly elaborate how you came to that conclusion.
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@George-K said in Hand the man a pen:
Is Nancy Pelosi too far back?
If you can find a single case of me defending Nancy Pelosi, I'll give you $10.
When she tore up the speech, I didn't say 'Yeah, well, Trump's an asshole so that makes it OK'.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Hand the man a pen:
@George-K said in Hand the man a pen:
Is Nancy Pelosi too far back?
If you can find a single case of me defending Nancy Pelosi, I'll give you $10.
When she tore up the speech, I didn't say 'Yeah, well, Trump's an asshole so that makes it OK'.
QFT
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https://www.businessinsider.com/ken-block-disproven-book-trump-campaign-election-fraud-2024-3
Software engineer Ken Block told Business Insider ahead of the release of his forthcoming book "Disproven," that he was paid about $750,000 to conduct research that would verify the existence of mass voter fraud in swing states, including Arizona, Georgia, Nevada, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania.
Despite the massive payday, Block couldn't find any. He even disproved some of the claims of voter fraud within minutes, pointing to incomplete data that was wrongfully interpreted as fraudulent, that voters with the same name had been counted as duplicate votes, and that data for mail-in ballots had been wrongly flagged.
While Block said he wasn't pressured to misrepresent his findings, Trump's team didn't want to hear it when he brought them news the fraud couldn't be substantiated.
All told, Block found fewer than 200 duplicate mail-in ballot votes had been fraudulently cast from all of the swing states combined,
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The Trump lies were deplorable. At the same time you will not be able to convince me that there weren’t serious problems. And I’m not talking about the odd widower that sent in an absentee ballot from his dead wife for Trump…
Philadelphia alone has had numerous cases of election officials busted for ballot stuffing numbering in the thousands. It’s so prevalent that that it has to be endemic to the system. Many former ACORN workers found their way into the Philadelphia system. You cannot ever convince me of the results from that city being legit.
@LuFins-Dad said in Hand the man a pen:
Philadelphia alone has had numerous cases of election officials busted for ballot stuffing numbering in the thousands. It’s so prevalent that that it has to be endemic to the system. Many former ACORN workers found their way into the Philadelphia system. You cannot ever convince me of the results from that city being legit.
And yet Trump gained votes in Philly from 16 to 20 and lost many more in the suburbs- just like the polls were showing us.
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And at the end of the day, many of you are quite comfortable with election fraud, as long as the election goes your way.
A pox on you and your house.
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And at the end of the day, many of you are quite comfortable with election fraud, as long as the election goes your way.
A pox on you and your house.
@Jolly said in Hand the man a pen:
And at the end of the day, many of you are quite comfortable with election fraud, as long as the election goes your way.
A pox on you and your house.
Don't look at me. I've been complaining about the damn machines back in Barry's time.
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@Jolly said in Hand the man a pen:
And at the end of the day, many of you are quite comfortable with election fraud, as long as the election goes your way.
A pox on you and your house.
Don't look at me. I've been complaining about the damn machines back in Barry's time.
@Aqua-Letifer said in Hand the man a pen:
@Jolly said in Hand the man a pen:
And at the end of the day, many of you are quite comfortable with election fraud, as long as the election goes your way.
A pox on you and your house.
Don't look at me. I've been complaining about the damn machines back in Barry's time.
True.
