Uvalde cops lied again
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@George-K said in Uvalde cops lied again:
Big whoop. Most cops are issued AR-15s nowadays. If not, you know they have a 12 gauge.
The weapon is a wash.
The only thing left is body armor and chicken factor.
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@George-K said in Uvalde cops lied again:
Big whoop. Most cops are issued AR-15s nowadays. If not, you know they have a 12 gauge.
The weapon is a wash.
The only thing left is body armor and chicken factor.
@Jolly said in Uvalde cops lied again:
Big whoop. Most cops are issued AR-15s nowadays.
Yeah, those are AR15s.
I've read that there were 400 cops on scene.
Four. Hundred. Cops.
And not one had the balls to confront the single kid.
It was dangerous. Right, danger is part of the job of being a FUCKING COP.
ETA: That photo must be a fake. If their balls were so big that they have to stand with their legs so far apart, they would have done something.
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Those are SWAT guys. Even many departments issue rank and file officers AR rifles. It has to do with penetration statistics in buildings, threat equivalency and superiority and a bunch of other job specific crap. Shucks, a lot of smaller departments have been given M-16's.
And as I said, if they don't have AR's, they've got shotguns.
Kids were dying. Do your job.
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Those are SWAT guys. Even many departments issue rank and file officers AR rifles. It has to do with penetration statistics in buildings, threat equivalency and superiority and a bunch of other job specific crap. Shucks, a lot of smaller departments have been given M-16's.
And as I said, if they don't have AR's, they've got shotguns.
Kids were dying. Do your job.
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Uvalde police officers ‘exonerated’ of wrongdoing
amilies of children killed at Robb Elementary School walked out of a Uvalde City Council meeting Thursday as the city unveiled a report that recommended all Uvalde police officers be exonerated of wrongdoing in their response to the shooting.
The independent investigation commissioned by the City of Uvalde left families demanding accountability for officers who waited over an hour to intervene as a gunman killed 19 children and two teachers.
Former Austin Police Department detective Jesse Prado examined the actions of each Uvalde police officer as they responded to the deadliest school shooting in Texas history on May 24, 2022.
The report recommends that each police officer should be “exonerated,” stating in most of their cases: “No evidence of serious acts of misconduct in direct violation of Uvalde Police Department’s policies was found in his behavior in response to the incident. I find that (this officer) acted in good faith.”
But the matter-of-fact report, prepared “in anticipation of litigation,” was appalling to families who have demanded the city terminate officers who waited for over an hour to breach the classroom in which their children were dead and dying.
“We keep getting kicked while we are down,” said Kim Rubio, whose daughter Lexi was killed. “No policy change will eliminate their fear and their hesitation to do what is right in the positions they serve.”
The meeting often erupted into frustrated screaming, the crowd chanting “coward” directed toward Prado as he left the room shortly after his remarks. Pressure from the crowd brought him back, in which he spent about an hour listening to families lambast his report.
“There’s kids dead, teachers dead. Children who survived in the class bleeding, teachers who are never going to be the same. And you’re going to tell me nobody did anything wrong? Shame on you. Shame on you,” said Laura Garza, the aunt of young victim Amerie Jo.
Hey, at least they used hand sanitizer!
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No evidence of serious acts of misconduct in direct violation of Uvalde Police Department’s policies was found in his behavior in response to the incident.
I suppose “cowardice” is not misconduct and not forbidden by the Uvalde PD’s policies. Srsly, though, can you think of any modern day civilian institution that writes “you must be brave” into their policies? In a motto or on a plaque hanging on the wall, perhaps, but literally in the policies?
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No evidence of serious acts of misconduct in direct violation of Uvalde Police Department’s policies was found in his behavior in response to the incident.
I suppose “cowardice” is not misconduct and not forbidden by the Uvalde PD’s policies. Srsly, though, can you think of any modern day civilian institution that writes “you must be brave” into their policies? In a motto or on a plaque hanging on the wall, perhaps, but literally in the policies?
@Axtremus said in Uvalde cops lied again:
No evidence of serious acts of misconduct in direct violation of Uvalde Police Department’s policies was found in his behavior in response to the incident.
I suppose “cowardice” is not misconduct and not forbidden by the Uvalde PD’s policies. Srsly, though, can you think of any modern day civilian institution that writes “you must be brave” into their policies? In a motto or on a plaque hanging on the wall, perhaps, but literally in the policies?
I think you’ll find that most of the language in official policy of peace and safety officers is around forbidding them from taking undue personal risks.
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When 30 people in a group are all acting the same, the conclusion probably shouldn't be that they are all individually outlier cowards. That seems statistically unlikely. There might be a more meaningful conclusion to draw.
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When 30 people in a group are all acting the same, the conclusion probably shouldn't be that they are all individually outlier cowards. That seems statistically unlikely. There might be a more meaningful conclusion to draw.
@Horace said in Uvalde cops lied again:
When 30 people in a group are all acting the same, the conclusion probably shouldn't be that they are all individually outlier cowards. That seems statistically unlikely. There might be a more meaningful conclusion to draw.
So they aren't cowards?
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@Horace said in Uvalde cops lied again:
When 30 people in a group are all acting the same, the conclusion probably shouldn't be that they are all individually outlier cowards. That seems statistically unlikely. There might be a more meaningful conclusion to draw.
So they aren't cowards?
@Aqua-Letifer said in Uvalde cops lied again:
@Horace said in Uvalde cops lied again:
When 30 people in a group are all acting the same, the conclusion probably shouldn't be that they are all individually outlier cowards. That seems statistically unlikely. There might be a more meaningful conclusion to draw.
So they aren't cowards?
I think the group reaction emerged from a lack of leadership and preparation rather than outlier cowardice from each of the cops involved.
Education is extremely important.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Uvalde cops lied again:
@Horace said in Uvalde cops lied again:
When 30 people in a group are all acting the same, the conclusion probably shouldn't be that they are all individually outlier cowards. That seems statistically unlikely. There might be a more meaningful conclusion to draw.
So they aren't cowards?
I think the group reaction emerged from a lack of leadership and preparation rather than outlier cowardice from each of the cops involved.
@Horace said in Uvalde cops lied again:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Uvalde cops lied again:
@Horace said in Uvalde cops lied again:
When 30 people in a group are all acting the same, the conclusion probably shouldn't be that they are all individually outlier cowards. That seems statistically unlikely. There might be a more meaningful conclusion to draw.
So they aren't cowards?
I think the group reaction emerged from a lack of leadership and preparation rather than outlier cowardice from each of the cops involved.
Collective cowardice is a thing, too.
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@Horace said in Uvalde cops lied again:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Uvalde cops lied again:
@Horace said in Uvalde cops lied again:
When 30 people in a group are all acting the same, the conclusion probably shouldn't be that they are all individually outlier cowards. That seems statistically unlikely. There might be a more meaningful conclusion to draw.
So they aren't cowards?
I think the group reaction emerged from a lack of leadership and preparation rather than outlier cowardice from each of the cops involved.
Collective cowardice is a thing, too.
@Aqua-Letifer said in Uvalde cops lied again:
@Horace said in Uvalde cops lied again:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Uvalde cops lied again:
@Horace said in Uvalde cops lied again:
When 30 people in a group are all acting the same, the conclusion probably shouldn't be that they are all individually outlier cowards. That seems statistically unlikely. There might be a more meaningful conclusion to draw.
So they aren't cowards?
I think the group reaction emerged from a lack of leadership and preparation rather than outlier cowardice from each of the cops involved.
Collective cowardice is a thing, too.
That's fine. I just think perfectly normal non-coward human beings are capable of being a cog in a cowardly machine.
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Uvalde police indicted over role in slow response
The former Uvalde schools police chief and another former officer have been indicted over their role in the slow police response to the 2022 massacre at a Texas elementary school that left 19 children and two teachers dead, according to multiple reports on Thursday.
The Uvalde Leader-News and the San Antonio Express-News reported that Pete Arredondo, the former schools police chief, and Adrian Gonzales, a former officer, were indicted by a grand jury on multiple counts of felony child endangerment and abandonment. The Leader-News reported that Christina Mitchell, the local district attorney, confirmed the indictment.
The Austin American-Statesman also reported that two former officers had been indicted but did not identify them.
Mitchell did not immediately return messages from the Associated Press seeking comment. Several family members of victims of the shooting did not immediately respond to messages seeking comment.
The indictments would make Arredondo, who was the on-site commander during the attack, and Gonzales the first officers to face criminal charges in one of the deadliest school shootings in US history. A scathing report by Texas lawmakers that examined the police response described Gonzales as one of the first officers to enter the building after the shooting began.
