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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      The Uvalde chief’s reasoning was that they needed shields and couldn’t get the door open. I was somewhat sympathetic.

      This is just horrible, if true.

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        I’m not clear on whether there were shots heard from the classroom during the wait. In any case they could have assumed there were wounded inside who needed care. Seems like the decision maker was panicked and paralyzed. what changed that made them finally enter the room?

        Education is extremely important.

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        • HoraceH Horace

          I’m not clear on whether there were shots heard from the classroom during the wait. In any case they could have assumed there were wounded inside who needed care. Seems like the decision maker was panicked and paralyzed. what changed that made them finally enter the room?

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          @Horace said in Uvalde cops lied again:

          I’m not clear on whether there were shots heard from the classroom during the wait. In any case they could have assumed there were wounded inside who needed care. Seems like the decision maker was panicked and paralyzed. what changed that made them finally enter the room?

          Border patrol tactical team said fuck this and just went in.

          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
          -Cormac McCarthy

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            "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
            -Cormac McCarthy

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              Nobody is allowed to save them. It will make us look bad.

              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
              -Cormac McCarthy

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                I'm trying to give the benefit of the doubt, but all of the evidence coming out is really hard to dismiss. The above screenshot is just one, there's another that shows 2 shields and multiple officers with long/powerful rifles.

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                  More details

                  "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                  -Cormac McCarthy

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                  • AxtremusA Away
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                    https://abcnews.go.com/US/uvalde-school-district-suspends-entire-police-force-fallout/story?id=91172897

                    Uvalde school district police force suspended, superintendent plans to retire

                    The entire force suspended.

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                    • George KG Offline
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                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        @George-K said in Uvalde cops lied again:

                        Big whoop. Most cops are issued AR-15s nowadays. If not, you know they have a 12 gauge.

                        The weapon is a wash.

                        The only thing left is body armor and chicken factor.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • JollyJ Jolly

                          @George-K said in Uvalde cops lied again:

                          Big whoop. Most cops are issued AR-15s nowadays. If not, you know they have a 12 gauge.

                          The weapon is a wash.

                          The only thing left is body armor and chicken factor.

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                          @Jolly said in Uvalde cops lied again:

                          Big whoop. Most cops are issued AR-15s nowadays.

                          image.jpeg

                          Yeah, those are AR15s.

                          I've read that there were 400 cops on scene.

                          Four. Hundred. Cops.

                          And not one had the balls to confront the single kid.

                          It was dangerous. Right, danger is part of the job of being a FUCKING COP.

                          ETA: That photo must be a fake. If their balls were so big that they have to stand with their legs so far apart, they would have done something.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            Those are SWAT guys. Even many departments issue rank and file officers AR rifles. It has to do with penetration statistics in buildings, threat equivalency and superiority and a bunch of other job specific crap. Shucks, a lot of smaller departments have been given M-16's.

                            And as I said, if they don't have AR's, they've got shotguns.

                            Kids were dying. Do your job.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              Those are SWAT guys. Even many departments issue rank and file officers AR rifles. It has to do with penetration statistics in buildings, threat equivalency and superiority and a bunch of other job specific crap. Shucks, a lot of smaller departments have been given M-16's.

                              And as I said, if they don't have AR's, they've got shotguns.

                              Kids were dying. Do your job.

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                              @Jolly said in Uvalde cops lied again:

                              Kids were dying. Do your job.

                              Exactly. Because the other guy has a scary gun is no excuse for not intervening. It’s the job.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                Uvalde police officers ‘exonerated’ of wrongdoing

                                amilies of children killed at Robb Elementary School walked out of a Uvalde City Council meeting Thursday as the city unveiled a report that recommended all Uvalde police officers be exonerated of wrongdoing in their response to the shooting.

                                The independent investigation commissioned by the City of Uvalde left families demanding accountability for officers who waited over an hour to intervene as a gunman killed 19 children and two teachers.

                                Former Austin Police Department detective Jesse Prado examined the actions of each Uvalde police officer as they responded to the deadliest school shooting in Texas history on May 24, 2022.

                                The report recommends that each police officer should be “exonerated,” stating in most of their cases: “No evidence of serious acts of misconduct in direct violation of Uvalde Police Department’s policies was found in his behavior in response to the incident. I find that (this officer) acted in good faith.”

                                But the matter-of-fact report, prepared “in anticipation of litigation,” was appalling to families who have demanded the city terminate officers who waited for over an hour to breach the classroom in which their children were dead and dying.

                                “We keep getting kicked while we are down,” said Kim Rubio, whose daughter Lexi was killed. “No policy change will eliminate their fear and their hesitation to do what is right in the positions they serve.”

                                The meeting often erupted into frustrated screaming, the crowd chanting “coward” directed toward Prado as he left the room shortly after his remarks. Pressure from the crowd brought him back, in which he spent about an hour listening to families lambast his report.

                                “There’s kids dead, teachers dead. Children who survived in the class bleeding, teachers who are never going to be the same. And you’re going to tell me nobody did anything wrong? Shame on you. Shame on you,” said Laura Garza, the aunt of young victim Amerie Jo.

                                Hey, at least they used hand sanitizer!

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  I can't imagine being a trained LEO and exhibiting such cowardice caution in an active shooter situation. You're almost certain to be better trained than your adversary.

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    No evidence of serious acts of misconduct in direct violation of Uvalde Police Department’s policies was found in his behavior in response to the incident.

                                    I suppose “cowardice” is not misconduct and not forbidden by the Uvalde PD’s policies. Srsly, though, can you think of any modern day civilian institution that writes “you must be brave” into their policies? In a motto or on a plaque hanging on the wall, perhaps, but literally in the policies?

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                                      No evidence of serious acts of misconduct in direct violation of Uvalde Police Department’s policies was found in his behavior in response to the incident.

                                      I suppose “cowardice” is not misconduct and not forbidden by the Uvalde PD’s policies. Srsly, though, can you think of any modern day civilian institution that writes “you must be brave” into their policies? In a motto or on a plaque hanging on the wall, perhaps, but literally in the policies?

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                                      @Axtremus said in Uvalde cops lied again:

                                      No evidence of serious acts of misconduct in direct violation of Uvalde Police Department’s policies was found in his behavior in response to the incident.

                                      I suppose “cowardice” is not misconduct and not forbidden by the Uvalde PD’s policies. Srsly, though, can you think of any modern day civilian institution that writes “you must be brave” into their policies? In a motto or on a plaque hanging on the wall, perhaps, but literally in the policies?

                                      I think you’ll find that most of the language in official policy of peace and safety officers is around forbidding them from taking undue personal risks.

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                        To protect and serve.

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        • MikM Mik

                                          To protect and serve.

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                                          @Mik said in Uvalde cops lied again:

                                          To protect and serve oneself.

                                          Fixed.

                                          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                          -Cormac McCarthy

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