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  • CopperC Offline
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    Copper
    wrote on last edited by
    #14

    Any record in any major sport during the last 20 years should probably have an asterisk on it.

    But we learned the lesson with Roger Maris, asterisks don't work.

    The fans want records, give them records.

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    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

      @Jolly said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

      @LuFins-Dad said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

      @Jolly said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

      Four years vs. three.

      And she has a three-point line.

      And how many thousands of other athletes didn’t beat the record in the same era? It’s still an accomplishment to celebrate, not try to diminish and explain away.

      Clark has made over 500 three-point shots in her four year career. That's over 500 more points and an extra season to do it in.

      So what? She also played Women’s Basketball, a sport that plays with much more defense and lower scoring games. They also played in different eras. There are any number of guys over the past 25 years that were one and done that would have beat the record if they had been required to play at least 3 years.

      Different eras, different rules, different factors. Don’t try to diminish the girl’s accomplishment. It doesn’t diminish his…

      JollyJ Offline
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      Jolly
      wrote on last edited by
      #15

      @LuFins-Dad said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

      @Jolly said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

      @LuFins-Dad said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

      @Jolly said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

      Four years vs. three.

      And she has a three-point line.

      And how many thousands of other athletes didn’t beat the record in the same era? It’s still an accomplishment to celebrate, not try to diminish and explain away.

      Clark has made over 500 three-point shots in her four year career. That's over 500 more points and an extra season to do it in.

      So what? She also played Women’s Basketball, a sport that plays with much more defense and lower scoring games. They also played in different eras. There are any number of guys over the past 25 years that were one and done that would have beat the record if they had been required to play at least 3 years.

      Different eras, different rules, different factors. Don’t try to diminish the girl’s accomplishment. It doesn’t diminish his…

      I watched Pete play down at the Cow Palace. I've seen her on tv, not in person. When she starts no-look passes behind her head, making shots from half-court and making lay-ups by dribbling the ball between guy's legs, I'll say she's as good.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • JollyJ Offline
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        Jolly
        wrote on last edited by
        #16

        Just Pete being The Pistol...Not how man shots he shoots with a hand in his face...

        Link to video

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • LuFins DadL Offline
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          LuFins Dad
          wrote on last edited by
          #17

          See, you should be happy she broke his record! It gives you a chance to evangelize and spread the good word on Pete!

          The Brad

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          • JollyJ Jolly

            @LuFins-Dad said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

            @Jolly said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

            @LuFins-Dad said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

            @Jolly said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

            Four years vs. three.

            And she has a three-point line.

            And how many thousands of other athletes didn’t beat the record in the same era? It’s still an accomplishment to celebrate, not try to diminish and explain away.

            Clark has made over 500 three-point shots in her four year career. That's over 500 more points and an extra season to do it in.

            So what? She also played Women’s Basketball, a sport that plays with much more defense and lower scoring games. They also played in different eras. There are any number of guys over the past 25 years that were one and done that would have beat the record if they had been required to play at least 3 years.

            Different eras, different rules, different factors. Don’t try to diminish the girl’s accomplishment. It doesn’t diminish his…

            I watched Pete play down at the Cow Palace. I've seen her on tv, not in person. When she starts no-look passes behind her head, making shots from half-court and making lay-ups by dribbling the ball between guy's legs, I'll say she's as good.

            LuFins DadL Offline
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            LuFins Dad
            wrote on last edited by
            #18

            @Jolly said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

            I watched Pete play down at the Cow Palace. I've seen her on tv, not in person. When she starts no-look passes behind her head, making shots from half-court and making lay-ups by dribbling the ball between guy's legs, I'll say she's as good.

            No look passes

            Link to video

            Link to video

            Not quite half court, but…

            Link to video

            As for layups and dribbling balls between guys legs, I won’t be posting any videos, but I trust that she’s much better than Pete…

            The Brad

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            • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

              @Jolly said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

              @LuFins-Dad said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

              @Jolly said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

              Four years vs. three.

              And she has a three-point line.

              And how many thousands of other athletes didn’t beat the record in the same era? It’s still an accomplishment to celebrate, not try to diminish and explain away.

              Clark has made over 500 three-point shots in her four year career. That's over 500 more points and an extra season to do it in.

              So what? She also played Women’s Basketball, a sport that plays with much more defense and lower scoring games. They also played in different eras. There are any number of guys over the past 25 years that were one and done that would have beat the record if they had been required to play at least 3 years.

              Different eras, different rules, different factors. Don’t try to diminish the girl’s accomplishment. It doesn’t diminish his…

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              wrote on last edited by
              #19

              @LuFins-Dad said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

              @Jolly said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

              @LuFins-Dad said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

              @Jolly said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

              Four years vs. three.

              And she has a three-point line.

              And how many thousands of other athletes didn’t beat the record in the same era? It’s still an accomplishment to celebrate, not try to diminish and explain away.

              Clark has made over 500 three-point shots in her four year career. That's over 500 more points and an extra season to do it in.

              So what? She also played Women’s Basketball, a sport that plays with much more defense and lower scoring games. They also played in different eras. There are any number of guys over the past 25 years that were one and done that would have beat the record if they had been required to play at least 3 years.

              Different eras, different rules, different factors. Don’t try to diminish the girl’s accomplishment. It doesn’t diminish his…

              I mean, she also plays against womenz, so that makes it easier, too.

              🙂

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              • 89th8 89th

                @LuFins-Dad said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

                @Jolly said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

                @LuFins-Dad said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

                @Jolly said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

                Four years vs. three.

                And she has a three-point line.

                And how many thousands of other athletes didn’t beat the record in the same era? It’s still an accomplishment to celebrate, not try to diminish and explain away.

                Clark has made over 500 three-point shots in her four year career. That's over 500 more points and an extra season to do it in.

                So what? She also played Women’s Basketball, a sport that plays with much more defense and lower scoring games. They also played in different eras. There are any number of guys over the past 25 years that were one and done that would have beat the record if they had been required to play at least 3 years.

                Different eras, different rules, different factors. Don’t try to diminish the girl’s accomplishment. It doesn’t diminish his…

                I mean, she also plays against womenz, so that makes it easier, too.

                🙂

                LuFins DadL Offline
                LuFins DadL Offline
                LuFins Dad
                wrote on last edited by
                #20

                @89th said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

                @LuFins-Dad said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

                @Jolly said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

                @LuFins-Dad said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

                @Jolly said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

                Four years vs. three.

                And she has a three-point line.

                And how many thousands of other athletes didn’t beat the record in the same era? It’s still an accomplishment to celebrate, not try to diminish and explain away.

                Clark has made over 500 three-point shots in her four year career. That's over 500 more points and an extra season to do it in.

                So what? She also played Women’s Basketball, a sport that plays with much more defense and lower scoring games. They also played in different eras. There are any number of guys over the past 25 years that were one and done that would have beat the record if they had been required to play at least 3 years.

                Different eras, different rules, different factors. Don’t try to diminish the girl’s accomplishment. It doesn’t diminish his…

                I mean, she also plays against womenz, so that makes it easier, too.

                🙂

                A male athlete today is clearly stronger, faster, etc… over a female athlete today.

                But a female athlete from today vs a male athlete from 60 years ago? Conditioning was different, strength training was different, and just general health was very different. A lot of Pete’s competition were heavy smokers and drinkers (to Pete’s credit, he could never abide cigarette smoking, though he did enjoy knocking a few back, but that was in the 80s when he was a pro, not college)…

                A boy’s 14-16 AU team could probably beat a WNBA TEAM, but sending that WNBA team back to the 60s? I bet they would beat quite a few of the college teams…

                The Brad

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                • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                  @89th said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

                  @LuFins-Dad said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

                  @Jolly said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

                  @LuFins-Dad said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

                  @Jolly said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

                  Four years vs. three.

                  And she has a three-point line.

                  And how many thousands of other athletes didn’t beat the record in the same era? It’s still an accomplishment to celebrate, not try to diminish and explain away.

                  Clark has made over 500 three-point shots in her four year career. That's over 500 more points and an extra season to do it in.

                  So what? She also played Women’s Basketball, a sport that plays with much more defense and lower scoring games. They also played in different eras. There are any number of guys over the past 25 years that were one and done that would have beat the record if they had been required to play at least 3 years.

                  Different eras, different rules, different factors. Don’t try to diminish the girl’s accomplishment. It doesn’t diminish his…

                  I mean, she also plays against womenz, so that makes it easier, too.

                  🙂

                  A male athlete today is clearly stronger, faster, etc… over a female athlete today.

                  But a female athlete from today vs a male athlete from 60 years ago? Conditioning was different, strength training was different, and just general health was very different. A lot of Pete’s competition were heavy smokers and drinkers (to Pete’s credit, he could never abide cigarette smoking, though he did enjoy knocking a few back, but that was in the 80s when he was a pro, not college)…

                  A boy’s 14-16 AU team could probably beat a WNBA TEAM, but sending that WNBA team back to the 60s? I bet they would beat quite a few of the college teams…

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                  Copper
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #21

                  @LuFins-Dad said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

                  a male athlete from 60 years ago

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                  • CopperC Offline
                    CopperC Offline
                    Copper
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #22

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                    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                      @89th said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

                      @LuFins-Dad said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

                      @Jolly said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

                      @LuFins-Dad said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

                      @Jolly said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

                      Four years vs. three.

                      And she has a three-point line.

                      And how many thousands of other athletes didn’t beat the record in the same era? It’s still an accomplishment to celebrate, not try to diminish and explain away.

                      Clark has made over 500 three-point shots in her four year career. That's over 500 more points and an extra season to do it in.

                      So what? She also played Women’s Basketball, a sport that plays with much more defense and lower scoring games. They also played in different eras. There are any number of guys over the past 25 years that were one and done that would have beat the record if they had been required to play at least 3 years.

                      Different eras, different rules, different factors. Don’t try to diminish the girl’s accomplishment. It doesn’t diminish his…

                      I mean, she also plays against womenz, so that makes it easier, too.

                      🙂

                      A male athlete today is clearly stronger, faster, etc… over a female athlete today.

                      But a female athlete from today vs a male athlete from 60 years ago? Conditioning was different, strength training was different, and just general health was very different. A lot of Pete’s competition were heavy smokers and drinkers (to Pete’s credit, he could never abide cigarette smoking, though he did enjoy knocking a few back, but that was in the 80s when he was a pro, not college)…

                      A boy’s 14-16 AU team could probably beat a WNBA TEAM, but sending that WNBA team back to the 60s? I bet they would beat quite a few of the college teams…

                      JollyJ Offline
                      JollyJ Offline
                      Jolly
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #23

                      @LuFins-Dad said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

                      @89th said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

                      @LuFins-Dad said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

                      @Jolly said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

                      @LuFins-Dad said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

                      @Jolly said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

                      Four years vs. three.

                      And she has a three-point line.

                      And how many thousands of other athletes didn’t beat the record in the same era? It’s still an accomplishment to celebrate, not try to diminish and explain away.

                      Clark has made over 500 three-point shots in her four year career. That's over 500 more points and an extra season to do it in.

                      So what? She also played Women’s Basketball, a sport that plays with much more defense and lower scoring games. They also played in different eras. There are any number of guys over the past 25 years that were one and done that would have beat the record if they had been required to play at least 3 years.

                      Different eras, different rules, different factors. Don’t try to diminish the girl’s accomplishment. It doesn’t diminish his…

                      I mean, she also plays against womenz, so that makes it easier, too.

                      🙂

                      A male athlete today is clearly stronger, faster, etc… over a female athlete today.

                      But a female athlete from today vs a male athlete from 60 years ago? Conditioning was different, strength training was different, and just general health was very different. A lot of Pete’s competition were heavy smokers and drinkers (to Pete’s credit, he could never abide cigarette smoking, though he did enjoy knocking a few back, but that was in the 80s when he was a pro, not college)…

                      A boy’s 14-16 AU team could probably beat a WNBA TEAM, but sending that WNBA team back to the 60s? I bet they would beat quite a few of the college teams…

                      Biology has not changed.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • JollyJ Jolly

                        @LuFins-Dad said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

                        @89th said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

                        @LuFins-Dad said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

                        @Jolly said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

                        @LuFins-Dad said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

                        @Jolly said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

                        Four years vs. three.

                        And she has a three-point line.

                        And how many thousands of other athletes didn’t beat the record in the same era? It’s still an accomplishment to celebrate, not try to diminish and explain away.

                        Clark has made over 500 three-point shots in her four year career. That's over 500 more points and an extra season to do it in.

                        So what? She also played Women’s Basketball, a sport that plays with much more defense and lower scoring games. They also played in different eras. There are any number of guys over the past 25 years that were one and done that would have beat the record if they had been required to play at least 3 years.

                        Different eras, different rules, different factors. Don’t try to diminish the girl’s accomplishment. It doesn’t diminish his…

                        I mean, she also plays against womenz, so that makes it easier, too.

                        🙂

                        A male athlete today is clearly stronger, faster, etc… over a female athlete today.

                        But a female athlete from today vs a male athlete from 60 years ago? Conditioning was different, strength training was different, and just general health was very different. A lot of Pete’s competition were heavy smokers and drinkers (to Pete’s credit, he could never abide cigarette smoking, though he did enjoy knocking a few back, but that was in the 80s when he was a pro, not college)…

                        A boy’s 14-16 AU team could probably beat a WNBA TEAM, but sending that WNBA team back to the 60s? I bet they would beat quite a few of the college teams…

                        Biology has not changed.

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                        LuFins Dad
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #24

                        @Jolly said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

                        @LuFins-Dad said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

                        @89th said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

                        @LuFins-Dad said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

                        @Jolly said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

                        @LuFins-Dad said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

                        @Jolly said in Meanwhile, in Iowa...:

                        Four years vs. three.

                        And she has a three-point line.

                        And how many thousands of other athletes didn’t beat the record in the same era? It’s still an accomplishment to celebrate, not try to diminish and explain away.

                        Clark has made over 500 three-point shots in her four year career. That's over 500 more points and an extra season to do it in.

                        So what? She also played Women’s Basketball, a sport that plays with much more defense and lower scoring games. They also played in different eras. There are any number of guys over the past 25 years that were one and done that would have beat the record if they had been required to play at least 3 years.

                        Different eras, different rules, different factors. Don’t try to diminish the girl’s accomplishment. It doesn’t diminish his…

                        I mean, she also plays against womenz, so that makes it easier, too.

                        🙂

                        A male athlete today is clearly stronger, faster, etc… over a female athlete today.

                        But a female athlete from today vs a male athlete from 60 years ago? Conditioning was different, strength training was different, and just general health was very different. A lot of Pete’s competition were heavy smokers and drinkers (to Pete’s credit, he could never abide cigarette smoking, though he did enjoy knocking a few back, but that was in the 80s when he was a pro, not college)…

                        A boy’s 14-16 AU team could probably beat a WNBA TEAM, but sending that WNBA team back to the 60s? I bet they would beat quite a few of the college teams…

                        Biology has not changed.

                        Men and women are both about 2” taller than they were in 1960. Average weight is up about 20lbs. Average strength has increased as well. That is biology, and it has changed.

                        Technology, education, and specialization has also changed. Today’s athletes have much better nutrition, training, conditioning, and endurance. That’s the simple truth. Athletes are faster, have more endurance, and better recovery than 50 years ago. Whether that’s enough to bridge the gap between men from 1970 and women today is an interesting question.

                        The Brad

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                          wrote on last edited by
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                          Whether that’s enough to bridge the gap between men from 1970 and women today is an interesting question.

                          It's an answered question for any individual timed or measured test of strength or speed or agility.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                            Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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