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  • AxtremusA Offline
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    Axtremus
    wrote on last edited by
    #19

    Matthew 7:1.
    John 8:7.

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    • AxtremusA Axtremus

      Matthew 7:1.
      John 8:7.

      JollyJ Offline
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      Jolly
      wrote on last edited by Jolly
      #20

      @Axtremus said in Selling Digital Pieces of Yourself:

      Matthew 7:1.
      John 8:7.

      Since it's very obvious you don't have a clue about Scripture, you've got a sermon/explanation coming your way.

      And you need it. For years, you have promoted pornography, which is usually the sign of a sick and twisted mind, that views fellow humans as pieces of meat who simply exist for their puerile and sadistic pleasure.

      People like you don't mind abusing people and it wouldn't surprise me if you would abuse children.

      So confess, Ax. Do you sexually abuse children or just enjoy degrading entertainment with adults?

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • AxtremusA Axtremus

        Matthew 7:1.
        John 8:7.

        RenaudaR Offline
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        Renauda
        wrote on last edited by Renauda
        #21

        @Axtremus said in Selling Digital Pieces of Yourself:

        Matthew 7:1.
        John 8:7.

        I hope you realise that you just drove yourself off a cliff.

        Elbows up!

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        • JollyJ Offline
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          Jolly
          wrote on last edited by
          #22

          People who have no defense for their actions and who know just enough Bible to try to throw up a feeble attack on believers, trying to cover their wretched self, often bring up the two passages Ax posted.

          It's laughable, it's so bad. Let us examine what Jesus is talking about when judging. As in most things Biblical, context is paramount. Also illuminating is having a bit of a clue about the OT. Many people do not realize, over half of what Jesus said, is found almost verbatim in many of the Old Testament books, such as Genesis, Isiah and others.

          Mathew 7:1-6 is part of the Sermon on the Mount. Jesus is clearly speaking about hypocritical judgement. The point of 7:1 is to guard your judgements, especially if one is guilty of what one is judging.

          Consider this passage out of John 7:

          21 Jesus answered and said to them, “I did one work, and you all marvel. 22 Moses therefore gave you circumcision (not that it is from Moses, but from the fathers), and you circumcise a man on the Sabbath. 23 If a man receives circumcision on the Sabbath, so that the law of Moses should not be broken, are you angry with Me because I made a man completely well on the Sabbath? 24 Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.”

          Again, this is talking about hypocritical judgement. The second verse Ax referenced John 8:7, is Jesus addressing a group of men who wish to stone the very harlot they had been having sex with.

          None of that says Christians should not engage in righteous judgement. We are told to read, study and to discern that which is good and to not do that which is clearly delineated by Scripture as being bad. As Paul said in Galatians, Have I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth?

          So, wrong is wrong. Pornography is wrong. Prostitution is wrong. And if Ax gets his rocks off by viewing child pornography or performing sex acts with children, that is wrong.

          While the Christian should certainly self-examine and not hypocritically judge, no Christian should equivocate or not call out that which is clearly wrong.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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            Doctor Phibes
            wrote on last edited by
            #23

            The libertarian argument is a much better one than the bogus JC quotes, still you can't help thinking a lot of people are getting damaged by this.

            OTOH, we don't ban alcohol, or violent movies, or fatty foods, or lots of other things that probably aren't that great for us, because essentially they're fun. I dare say fatty foods and alcohol kill more people than pornography.

            The preaching can get a bit old, too. We all do it, of course. You should hear me when I get started on industrial safety. I can literally talk for minutes about it.

            I was only joking

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            • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

              The libertarian argument is a much better one than the bogus JC quotes, still you can't help thinking a lot of people are getting damaged by this.

              OTOH, we don't ban alcohol, or violent movies, or fatty foods, or lots of other things that probably aren't that great for us, because essentially they're fun. I dare say fatty foods and alcohol kill more people than pornography.

              The preaching can get a bit old, too. We all do it, of course. You should hear me when I get started on industrial safety. I can literally talk for minutes about it.

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              George K
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              #24

              @Doctor-Phibes said in Selling Digital Pieces of Yourself:

              I dare say fatty foods...kill more people

              That's questionable. Remembrer when they told us eggs were bad for us because cholesterol?

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • George KG George K

                @Doctor-Phibes said in Selling Digital Pieces of Yourself:

                I dare say fatty foods...kill more people

                That's questionable. Remembrer when they told us eggs were bad for us because cholesterol?

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                Doctor Phibes
                wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
                #25

                @George-K said in Selling Digital Pieces of Yourself:

                @Doctor-Phibes said in Selling Digital Pieces of Yourself:

                I dare say fatty foods...kill more people

                That's questionable. Remembrer when they told us eggs were bad for us because cholesterol?

                OK, obesity kills more people. And those people eat a lot of fatty and sugary food. I suppose it's possible to become obese from eating too much broccoli, but I don't suppose it's ever been accomplished.

                I was only joking

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                • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                  The libertarian argument is a much better one than the bogus JC quotes, still you can't help thinking a lot of people are getting damaged by this.

                  OTOH, we don't ban alcohol, or violent movies, or fatty foods, or lots of other things that probably aren't that great for us, because essentially they're fun. I dare say fatty foods and alcohol kill more people than pornography.

                  The preaching can get a bit old, too. We all do it, of course. You should hear me when I get started on industrial safety. I can literally talk for minutes about it.

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                  Renauda
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                  #26

                  @Doctor-Phibes

                  The libertarian argument is a much better one than the bogus JC quotes, still you can't help thinking a lot of people are getting damaged by this.

                  “Bogus JC quotes”. Makes sense to me.

                  Too bad about people being damaged by it all. Am sure it happens but so long as they are consenting adults it is of no concern to me. A bit like gambling. It’s a human vice.

                  Best that can be done is to regulate it through licensing and other fees and levies.

                  Elbows up!

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                  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                    The libertarian argument is a much better one than the bogus JC quotes, still you can't help thinking a lot of people are getting damaged by this.

                    OTOH, we don't ban alcohol, or violent movies, or fatty foods, or lots of other things that probably aren't that great for us, because essentially they're fun. I dare say fatty foods and alcohol kill more people than pornography.

                    The preaching can get a bit old, too. We all do it, of course. You should hear me when I get started on industrial safety. I can literally talk for minutes about it.

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                    Jolly
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #27

                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Selling Digital Pieces of Yourself:

                    The libertarian argument is a much better one than the bogus JC quotes, still you can't help thinking a lot of people are getting damaged by this.

                    OTOH, we don't ban alcohol, or violent movies, or fatty foods, or lots of other things that probably aren't that great for us, because essentially they're fun. I dare say fatty foods and alcohol kill more people than pornography.

                    The preaching can get a bit old, too. We all do it, of course. You should hear me when I get started on industrial safety. I can literally talk for minutes about it.

                    Is prostitution fun? Is it a victimless crime? How about pornography? Maybe just child sex pornography is bad?

                    Even in a simply sectarian world, libertarianism won't work. Too much human wreckage and mess to clean up. Rules work. Good laws work. Societies can agree on what is good for that society and try to steer people in that direction by legal and other means. Simple shaming used to be quite effective.

                    Is it perfect? No. Neither is Man. But anarchy is not the answer and I think most people inherently know that.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • RenaudaR Offline
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                      Renauda
                      wrote on last edited by Renauda
                      #28

                      @Jolly

                      Okay so you equate libertarianism with anarchism. Don’t agree but all the same, I get it from your standpoint.

                      Still;

                      Should defined vice and morality be a federal or state jurisdiction? If the former how do you propose to enshrine it?

                      Elbows up!

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                        Jolly
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #29

                        I think law at it's most basic level is codified morality. I think societies decide at which level bad morals cause severe societal problems or societal decline and enact laws to control undesirable behavior.

                        If this be true, then usually the most effective government is the one closest to the people, so I think much of this is best done at a state level. However, I'm sure some things can be agreed upon to be almost universally bad for society and those laws could be federal in nature.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • JollyJ Jolly

                          I think law at it's most basic level is codified morality. I think societies decide at which level bad morals cause severe societal problems or societal decline and enact laws to control undesirable behavior.

                          If this be true, then usually the most effective government is the one closest to the people, so I think much of this is best done at a state level. However, I'm sure some things can be agreed upon to be almost universally bad for society and those laws could be federal in nature.

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                          Doctor Phibes
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                          #30

                          @Jolly said in Selling Digital Pieces of Yourself:

                          I think law at it's most basic level is codified morality.

                          That's one way of looking it at. I would prefer to say that it's codifying the protection of the individual. So, in that case murder is clearly illegal, as is sexual abuse, robbery etc.

                          Pornography, drug use, and gambling, just to pick three topics, become a little more problematic from this perspective, since people are choosing to become involved in an activity that may be harmful to themselves.. I think a great disservice has been done over many years in treating drug addicts as criminals.

                          I was only joking

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                            #31

                            I am skeptical of federal behavioral laws that fall outside the narrow limits of federal powers as defined by the constitution.

                            I lean toward libertarian myself, and don’t see it as anarchy. But even it must have limits.

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                              @Jolly said in Selling Digital Pieces of Yourself:

                              I think law at it's most basic level is codified morality.

                              That's one way of looking it at. I would prefer to say that it's codifying the protection of the individual. So, in that case murder is clearly illegal, as is sexual abuse, robbery etc.

                              Pornography, drug use, and gambling, just to pick three topics, become a little more problematic from this perspective, since people are choosing to become involved in an activity that may be harmful to themselves.. I think a great disservice has been done over many years in treating drug addicts as criminals.

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                              Renauda
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                              @Doctor-Phibes said in Selling Digital Pieces of Yourself:

                              @Jolly said in Selling Digital Pieces of Yourself:

                              I think law at it's most basic level is codified morality.

                              That's one way of looking it at. I would prefer to say that it's codifying the protection of the individual. So, in that case murder is clearly illegal, as is sexual abuse, robbery etc.

                              Protection of the individual is more to my thinking as well. The notion of codifying morality conjures up something entirely different from the Western world’s past that is more nasty and brutish than what has come to characterise an open society of today.

                              Elbows up!

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                                jon-nyc
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                                #33

                                Wait… tell me more about the German shepherd and the girl…

                                "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                -Cormac McCarthy

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                                  Klaus
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                                  #34

                                  Availability of porn roughly correlates with measures of freedom and wealth.

                                  I for one would not want to live in a society that bans pornography. The only ones that do this successfully are the Taliban.

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                                    Mik
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                                    Yeah. They only have goats and little boys.

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      Jolly
                                      wrote on last edited by Jolly
                                      #36

                                      You've been to Ax's dungeon basement?

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      • MikM Mik

                                        Yeah. They only have goats and little boys.

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                                        Doctor Phibes
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                                        #37

                                        @Mik said in Selling Digital Pieces of Yourself:

                                        Yeah. They only have goats

                                        A nanny state?

                                        I was only joking

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                                        • JollyJ Jolly

                                          You've been to Ax's dungeon basement?

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                                          @Jolly said in Selling Digital Pieces of Yourself:

                                          You've been to Ax's dungeon basement?

                                          Funny you should ask, but I have actually met Ax and his family multiple times. What about you?

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