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  • LarryL Offline
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    Larry
    wrote on last edited by
    #50

    You say it is absolutely false that one side hates the US. Girl, where have you been??? They tell you they hate the US every day!!

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    • LarryL Offline
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      Larry
      wrote on last edited by
      #51

      Shit, Biden barely knows where he's at.

      "Biden loves the country...."

      BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA

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      • HoraceH Offline
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        Horace
        wrote on last edited by
        #52

        Progressivism makes no sense and has no messaging power unless it is based on a notion that things as they are, are unacceptable. Hatred of the country is built in to the foundations of the messaging, though of course nobody is eager to own that label, so they won't say it explicitly or anything. Maybe in private company among friends.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • LarryL Larry

          Shit, Biden barely knows where he's at.

          "Biden loves the country...."

          BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA

          taiwan_girlT Offline
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          taiwan_girl
          wrote on last edited by
          #53

          @Larry I think we just need to agree to disagree.

          If I could stand in front of a group of people in 1820 and say the following:

          woman should have the right to vote!!!
          black people should have the same rights as white people!
          woman should be allowed to go to college!!
          Even if you do not own land, you should be allowed to vote!!
          Native Americans should have the right to vote!!
          etc

          I think some people would say - "Jennifer, you hate the US and are trying to destroy it!" Just because I had a different viewpoint, does not mean that I hate the country, and because others have a different viewpoint does not mean that they hate the country.

          Larry, the impression you give to me is that anyone who disagrees with your view of the USA hates the country and wants to destroy it. And that I think is 100% false.

          It is very possible (even probably) that that impression is incorrect, but that is the way you come across (to me). I apologize if I am misreading you.

          Anyway, i am glad that we can disagree and "shake hands" afterwords. It helps me to learn something when hearing different viewpoints.

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          • RainmanR Offline
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            Rainman
            wrote on last edited by
            #54

            Taiwan Girl, I suppose you are correct. Or, you always seem to look on the bright side.
            In terms of mainland China, I suppose it's also true that the communists love China, and Hong Kong and Taiwan need to feel the love as well. Or are you on the fence regarding that, as well? I mean, far left / communists, same thing, Marxism ideology whether one realizes it or not. And, tearing down statues etc., isn't that like Maoism, so that's OK too?
            I'm just asking you rather directly, whether you have a double-standard or not.

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            • LarryL Offline
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              Larry
              wrote on last edited by
              #55

              Honey, this isn't 1820, and those aren't the issues we are dealing with.

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              • RainmanR Rainman

                Taiwan Girl, I suppose you are correct. Or, you always seem to look on the bright side.
                In terms of mainland China, I suppose it's also true that the communists love China, and Hong Kong and Taiwan need to feel the love as well. Or are you on the fence regarding that, as well? I mean, far left / communists, same thing, Marxism ideology whether one realizes it or not. And, tearing down statues etc., isn't that like Maoism, so that's OK too?
                I'm just asking you rather directly, whether you have a double-standard or not.

                taiwan_girlT Offline
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                taiwan_girl
                wrote on last edited by
                #56

                @Rainman said in Trump's Taxes:

                Taiwan Girl, I suppose you are correct. Or, you always seem to look on the bright side.
                In terms of mainland China, I suppose it's also true that the communists love China, and Hong Kong and Taiwan need to feel the love as well. Or are you on the fence regarding that, as well? I mean, far left / communists, same thing, Marxism ideology whether one realizes it or not. And, tearing down statues etc., isn't that like Maoism, so that's OK too?
                I'm just asking you rather directly, whether you have a double-standard or not.

                There are (small amount of) people in Taiwan who definitely want to integrate with mainland China.

                I 100%+++ absolutely 100%++++ positive DISAGREE with them. And I would do what I can to prevent that from happening.

                But, I do not think that they HATE Taiwan. They feel that joining with mainland China is the best thing for Taiwan. It may be wrong and I may strongly disagree, and I can work against them, but I would never say that they hate Taiwan. They want Taiwan to change and their "vision" of Taiwan is much different than mine.

                Just like in the US. IF someone says that they want national healthcare, I do not think that they HATE the US and are trying to destroy it. Their vision is different than others - maybe right, maybe wrong.

                I will agree that there are probably a small number of people in the US who do hate the country (example = 11 Sept bombers). But that is not the ones we are talking about in this thread.

                To me, to say that Vice President Biden or President Obama HATES the country is just ridiculous.

                They have as much love for the country as President Trump, as any of the Republic senators, as any of the Democrat senators, etc. Different visions but all love the country.

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                • LarryL Offline
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                  Larry
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                  #57

                  You are a very sweet, very misinformed, and very naive lady, TG.

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                  • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                    @Rainman said in Trump's Taxes:

                    Taiwan Girl, I suppose you are correct. Or, you always seem to look on the bright side.
                    In terms of mainland China, I suppose it's also true that the communists love China, and Hong Kong and Taiwan need to feel the love as well. Or are you on the fence regarding that, as well? I mean, far left / communists, same thing, Marxism ideology whether one realizes it or not. And, tearing down statues etc., isn't that like Maoism, so that's OK too?
                    I'm just asking you rather directly, whether you have a double-standard or not.

                    There are (small amount of) people in Taiwan who definitely want to integrate with mainland China.

                    I 100%+++ absolutely 100%++++ positive DISAGREE with them. And I would do what I can to prevent that from happening.

                    But, I do not think that they HATE Taiwan. They feel that joining with mainland China is the best thing for Taiwan. It may be wrong and I may strongly disagree, and I can work against them, but I would never say that they hate Taiwan. They want Taiwan to change and their "vision" of Taiwan is much different than mine.

                    Just like in the US. IF someone says that they want national healthcare, I do not think that they HATE the US and are trying to destroy it. Their vision is different than others - maybe right, maybe wrong.

                    I will agree that there are probably a small number of people in the US who do hate the country (example = 11 Sept bombers). But that is not the ones we are talking about in this thread.

                    To me, to say that Vice President Biden or President Obama HATES the country is just ridiculous.

                    They have as much love for the country as President Trump, as any of the Republic senators, as any of the Democrat senators, etc. Different visions but all love the country.

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                    Catseye3
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #58

                    @taiwan_girl TG, As always, your comments are reasonable and rational, and I enjoyed reading them.

                    Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                    • LarryL Larry

                      Honey, this isn't 1820, and those aren't the issues we are dealing with.

                      HoraceH Offline
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                      Horace
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #59

                      The riots and the CHAZ occupation unequivocally establish something close enough to hatred that it seems silly to argue over the word.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                      • HoraceH Horace

                        The riots and the CHAZ occupation unequivocally establish something close enough to hatred that it seems silly to argue over the word.

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                        Catseye3
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #60

                        @Horace Why can't they be stupid and pissed? Why drag hate into it?

                        Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                        • LarryL Offline
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                          Larry
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #61

                          I fail to see how trying to argue that, given the long list of pure hate driven bull shit our country is having to put up with, refusing to acknowledge the obvious hate for this nation, its institutions, and its values, is not hate passes for rational thought.

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                          • HoraceH Offline
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                            Horace
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #62

                            Because it's a word who's definition fits. That's why people use words usually. It's ok that you don't think the definition fits.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                            • LarryL Offline
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                              Larry
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #63

                              Link to video

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                              • HoraceH Horace

                                Because it's a word who's definition fits. That's why people use words usually. It's ok that you don't think the definition fits.

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                                Catseye3
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #64

                                @Horace For purposes of discourse, I don't see why it's necessary to be dogmatic about applying such an incendiary word, that's all. Some of the people, yes, could be haters, some not. When you slap "hate" on as all-encompassing, you slam closed the gates to any open-minded consideration within yourself (not you necessarily) or any hope for meeting of minds. "Hate" signifies "Talk to the hand!" Where does that get anybody?

                                Sorry, I didn't rightly intend to go off on that flight.

                                Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                • LarryL Offline
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                                  Larry
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #65

                                  You just described to a tee how the Left operates.

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                                  • LarryL Offline
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                                    Larry
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #66

                                    The Left hates what America stands for. If they loved what America stands for they wouldn't be engaged in trying to tear down every single thing America stands for.

                                    Perhaps that simple truth is too complicated for some.

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                                    • LarryL Larry

                                      The Left hates what America stands for. If they loved what America stands for they wouldn't be engaged in trying to tear down every single thing America stands for.

                                      Perhaps that simple truth is too complicated for some.

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                                      Catseye3
                                      wrote on last edited by Catseye3
                                      #67

                                      @Larry Even more complicated is that hate takes many forms, and often goes unrecognized by the hater within himself. It's so easy to accuse another of harboring hate while remaining unaware of it in oneself.

                                      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                      • Catseye3C Catseye3

                                        @Horace For purposes of discourse, I don't see why it's necessary to be dogmatic about applying such an incendiary word, that's all. Some of the people, yes, could be haters, some not. When you slap "hate" on as all-encompassing, you slam closed the gates to any open-minded consideration within yourself (not you necessarily) or any hope for meeting of minds. "Hate" signifies "Talk to the hand!" Where does that get anybody?

                                        Sorry, I didn't rightly intend to go off on that flight.

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                                        Horace
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #68

                                        @Catseye3 said in Trump's Taxes:

                                        @Horace For purposes of discourse, I don't see why it's necessary to be dogmatic about applying such an incendiary word, that's all.

                                        Left-leaning pop culture accepted the violent overthrow and occupation of a neighborhood in the CHAZ occupation. I don't think that was a light action and I think it merits a heavy word to describe the motivations.

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                        • Catseye3C Catseye3

                                          @Larry Even more complicated is that hate takes many forms, and often goes unrecognized by the hater within himself. It's so easy to accuse another of harboring hate while remaining unaware of it in oneself.

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                                          Horace
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #69

                                          @Catseye3 said in Trump's Taxes:

                                          @Larry Even more complicated is that hate takes many forms, and often goes unrecognized by the hater within himself. It's so easy to accuse another of harboring hate while remaining unaware of it in oneself.

                                          That's all well and good, please feel free to point it out if and when you see it. But being a word cop is pretty boring.

                                          Education is extremely important.

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