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Meanwhile, at Harvard...

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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
    wrote on last edited by
    #88

    They weren't for free speech, until they were.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • CopperC Offline
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      Copper
      wrote on last edited by
      #89

      All those harvard employees hate Jews.

      It has been widely exposed over a few weeks now, but I continue to be surprised by this.

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      • George KG Offline
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        George K
        wrote on last edited by
        #90

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • HoraceH Offline
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          Horace
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          #91

          The institutions that gave us microaggressions and safe spaces now equivocate about open calls for genocide.

          Education is extremely important.

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          • HoraceH Horace

            The institutions that gave us microaggressions and safe spaces now equivocate about open calls for genocide.

            George KG Offline
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            George K
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            #92

            @Horace said in Meanwhile, at Harvard...:

            The institutions that gave us microaggressions and safe spaces now equivocate about open calls for genocide.

            Truly remarkable, isn't it?

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • JollyJ Offline
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              Jolly
              wrote on last edited by
              #93

              You get what you teach.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • CopperC Offline
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                Copper
                wrote on last edited by
                #94

                And I get the impression that they don't get it at all.

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                • George KG Offline
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                  George K
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #95

                  From the RWEC:


                  What is striking to me is how unintelligently these three academics answered Stefanik’s questions. There are actually some interesting issues here, which a smart and principled administrator could have spoken about in a compelling way. But these academic hacks had nothing insightful to say, and were just trying to get out of the hearing as fast as they could, smirking all the while. I would only add that a Harvard student who wrote that all blacks should be murdered–say, in a conservative student paper, if Harvard had one–would not have a future at that institution. There would be no discussion of “context.”

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • George KG Offline
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                    George K
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #96

                    "Exclusionary is ok if it's self-imposed."

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • George KG Offline
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                      George K
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #97

                      Is this "seizing" or "pouncing?"

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                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • jon-nycJ Offline
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                        jon-nyc
                        wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
                        #98

                        Interesting take. A bit of a nitpick but probably correct.

                        Only non-witches get due process.

                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                        • HoraceH Offline
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                          Horace
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #99

                          It would not have occurred to me that a policy against bullying and harassment would allow for calls for genocide against a certain group, while prohibiting calls for killing individual members of that group. Their premise is that that distinction is totally reasonable.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                            Aqua Letifer
                            wrote on last edited by Aqua Letifer
                            #100

                            I also think the tweet misses the point entirely. Yeah sure okay, that's what the hearings are about, but the problem on the table right now, the one we are and should be focusing on, isn't adherence to university harassment policies.

                            Please love yourself.

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                            • HoraceH Offline
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                              Horace
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                              #101

                              It's barely even worth making the hackneyed point that a call for the extermination of black people would not be tolerated. It's like we're ignoring the elephant in the room about double standards, and trying to make sense of this anti-semitic speech in isolation, and failing even to do that.

                              Education is extremely important.

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                              • HoraceH Horace

                                It would not have occurred to me that a policy against bullying and harassment would allow for calls for genocide against a certain group, while prohibiting calls for killing individual members of that group. Their premise is that that distinction is totally reasonable.

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                                jon-nyc
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #102

                                @Horace

                                His point is that harassment and bullying predicate interpersonal interactions.

                                It’s definitional. It’s not some fine distinction.

                                Only non-witches get due process.

                                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                • HoraceH Horace

                                  It's barely even worth making the hackneyed point that a call for the extermination of black people would not be tolerated. It's like we're ignoring the elephant in the room about double standards, and trying to make sense of this anti-semitic speech in isolation, and failing even to do that.

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                                  jon-nyc
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #103

                                  @Horace

                                  He goes on to make the point that an hypocrisy charge is totally appropriate.

                                  To be clear, since many people are making this point, I completely agree with @DeadLiftCapital that the university presidents can be charged with hypocrisy, but that is not the point that Stefanik or Ackman are making and is irrelevant to my argument.

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

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                                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                    @Horace

                                    His point is that harassment and bullying predicate interpersonal interactions.

                                    It’s definitional. It’s not some fine distinction.

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                                    Horace
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #104

                                    @jon-nyc said in Meanwhile, at Harvard...:

                                    @Horace

                                    His point is that harassment and bullying predicate interpersonal interactions.

                                    It’s definitional. It’s not some fine distinction.

                                    It remains unsatisfying to believe there is a reasonable distinction to be made between "Kill Jews", "Kill all the Jews on campus", "Kill the members of the Jewish Zionist Student Organization", "Kill Joe the Jew". Based on your idea of the clear definitions, which of those aren't allowed, and which are?

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                      jon-nyc
                                      wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
                                      #105

                                      It isn’t a question of what’s allowed. It’s a question of what constitutes harassment.

                                      If I post a general comment here about (say) gender differences, should an employee at my foundation be able to report it to HR as harassment?

                                      Of course not.

                                      What if I post it and then send them the link? That’s different.

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

                                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
                                      HoraceH 1 Reply Last reply
                                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                        It isn’t a question of what’s allowed. It’s a question of what constitutes harassment.

                                        If I post a general comment here about (say) gender differences, should an employee at my foundation be able to report it to HR as harassment?

                                        Of course not.

                                        What if I post it and then send them the link? That’s different.

                                        HoraceH Offline
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                                        Horace
                                        wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
                                        #106

                                        @jon-nyc said in Meanwhile, at Harvard...:

                                        It isn’t a question of what’s allowed. It’s a question of what constitutes harassment.

                                        If I post a general comment here about (say) gender differences, should an employee at my foundation be able to report it to HR as harassment?

                                        Of course not.

                                        What if I post it and then send them the link? That’s different.

                                        Thanks. I guess I was thinking about it all wrong. I had been thinking that the subject was, what was or was not allowed as campus speech.

                                        ***************-
                                        note from Jon. I tried to reply to this but hit edit accidentally. I cut off the rest of his paragraph. The text below here is my “reply”
                                        ***************-

                                        The entirety of Lemoine’s point was about Stefanik asking about whether this constituted ‘harassment and bullying’.

                                        Perhaps the universities have ‘hate speech’ codes that this could have violated, in which case surely the Representative could have nailed them on that.

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                          jon-nyc
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #107

                                          FIRE President Greg Lukianoff with a principled take as you would expect.

                                          Only non-witches get due process.

                                          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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