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  • George KG George K

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    Copper
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    @George-K said in Meanwhile, at Harvard...:

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    Brilliant

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      George K
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      Screenshot 2023-11-09 at 10.01.34 AM.png

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        George K
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        #87

        Jesus Christ on a popsicle stick:

        https://medium.com/@acfreedomfacstatement/harvard-faculty-response-to-combating-antisemitism-86ca47e87cdf

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          They weren't for free speech, until they were.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            All those harvard employees hate Jews.

            It has been widely exposed over a few weeks now, but I continue to be surprised by this.

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              #90

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                The institutions that gave us microaggressions and safe spaces now equivocate about open calls for genocide.

                Education is extremely important.

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                • HoraceH Horace

                  The institutions that gave us microaggressions and safe spaces now equivocate about open calls for genocide.

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                  George K
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                  #92

                  @Horace said in Meanwhile, at Harvard...:

                  The institutions that gave us microaggressions and safe spaces now equivocate about open calls for genocide.

                  Truly remarkable, isn't it?

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    You get what you teach.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      And I get the impression that they don't get it at all.

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                      • George KG Offline
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                        George K
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                        From the RWEC:


                        What is striking to me is how unintelligently these three academics answered Stefanik’s questions. There are actually some interesting issues here, which a smart and principled administrator could have spoken about in a compelling way. But these academic hacks had nothing insightful to say, and were just trying to get out of the hearing as fast as they could, smirking all the while. I would only add that a Harvard student who wrote that all blacks should be murdered–say, in a conservative student paper, if Harvard had one–would not have a future at that institution. There would be no discussion of “context.”

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          George K
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                          "Exclusionary is ok if it's self-imposed."

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            Is this "seizing" or "pouncing?"

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                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              #98

                              Interesting take. A bit of a nitpick but probably correct.

                              Only non-witches get due process.

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                                It would not have occurred to me that a policy against bullying and harassment would allow for calls for genocide against a certain group, while prohibiting calls for killing individual members of that group. Their premise is that that distinction is totally reasonable.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                  #100

                                  I also think the tweet misses the point entirely. Yeah sure okay, that's what the hearings are about, but the problem on the table right now, the one we are and should be focusing on, isn't adherence to university harassment policies.

                                  Please love yourself.

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                                    It's barely even worth making the hackneyed point that a call for the extermination of black people would not be tolerated. It's like we're ignoring the elephant in the room about double standards, and trying to make sense of this anti-semitic speech in isolation, and failing even to do that.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                      It would not have occurred to me that a policy against bullying and harassment would allow for calls for genocide against a certain group, while prohibiting calls for killing individual members of that group. Their premise is that that distinction is totally reasonable.

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                                      jon-nyc
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                                      @Horace

                                      His point is that harassment and bullying predicate interpersonal interactions.

                                      It’s definitional. It’s not some fine distinction.

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

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                                        It's barely even worth making the hackneyed point that a call for the extermination of black people would not be tolerated. It's like we're ignoring the elephant in the room about double standards, and trying to make sense of this anti-semitic speech in isolation, and failing even to do that.

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                                        jon-nyc
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                                        @Horace

                                        He goes on to make the point that an hypocrisy charge is totally appropriate.

                                        To be clear, since many people are making this point, I completely agree with @DeadLiftCapital that the university presidents can be charged with hypocrisy, but that is not the point that Stefanik or Ackman are making and is irrelevant to my argument.

                                        Only non-witches get due process.

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                                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                          @Horace

                                          His point is that harassment and bullying predicate interpersonal interactions.

                                          It’s definitional. It’s not some fine distinction.

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                                          @jon-nyc said in Meanwhile, at Harvard...:

                                          @Horace

                                          His point is that harassment and bullying predicate interpersonal interactions.

                                          It’s definitional. It’s not some fine distinction.

                                          It remains unsatisfying to believe there is a reasonable distinction to be made between "Kill Jews", "Kill all the Jews on campus", "Kill the members of the Jewish Zionist Student Organization", "Kill Joe the Jew". Based on your idea of the clear definitions, which of those aren't allowed, and which are?

                                          Education is extremely important.

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