Hamas attacks Israel

[jon-nyc]

@Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:

@jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:

Good thing the right isn’t subject to programming, otherwise some con men could talk them into supporting Russia and forgetting their decade-long, full-throated support of the Iraq war.

You go with the information you have at the time. Back then, the Iraq War made sense. The only regret I have about that war is screwing over the Kurds, but I understand the realpolitick of why.

The change in information was obvious in 2006. It was only a decade later that you changed your tune, and only after Trump gave you permission to do so without betraying your tribe.

I’m giving you a bit of credit with that last sentence. I assume part of you knew it was a strategic failure years before, but it took Trump giving you cover before you could say it out loud.

[Jolly]

Trump. The man strides through your brain with seven-league boots.

[George K]

British international law expert interviewed by BBC.

"There is no requirement, under international law, to provide humanitarian aid."

Once again, BBC approaches this from the plight of the Gazans.

[Doctor Phibes]

@George-K said in Hamas attacks Israel:

Once again, BBC approaches this from the plight of the Gazans.

If you look at the BBC website there are plenty of articles about the horrors that have happened to the Israelis written from their perspective. Many of them are very difficult to read. I don't feel that the situation of the Gazans should be ignored or overlooked. Clearly Hamas were the aggressor, and are monsters, but the regular folk in Gaza are suffering because of this.

[George K]

[George K]

"What I saw"

[Horace]

I think I've seen most of that just from stuff linked to here.

[Mik]

I'm not sure what more people need to see to know this has to not stop, but BE stopped. It isn't going to happen via ceasefires and negotiation.

[89th]

Hamas did this on purpose. As brutal as they could be. Again, this was on purpose, what are the chess moves after this, since they knew it would draw Israel into a massive reaction. Is it a trap?

[Horace]

Terrorism can also be a sucker punch for the sake of a sucker punch. That said, revenge can also be revenge for the sake of revenge. I have heard no serious discussion of how any of this gets better. Unless it’s actually plausible to kill all the terrorists.

[jon-nyc]

[Copper]

@89th said in Hamas attacks Israel:

the chess moves after this

If hamas doesn't have a big surprise waiting for the invasion, they deserve whatever they get.

[Jolly]

@89th said in Hamas attacks Israel:

Hamas did this on purpose. As brutal as they could be. Again, this was on purpose, what are the chess moves after this, since they knew it would draw Israel into a massive reaction. Is it a trap?

United Front.

Dream of the Arabs.

[89th]

Yes, and potentially a "Let's see how dedicated the US really is to Israel" if Israel gets into trouble. I wasn't alive for it, but the 6 day war outcome is impressive.

[Doctor Phibes]

These aren’t chess moves. This is picking up the board and beating people over the head with it because you keep losing.

[LuFins Dad]

@89th said in Hamas attacks Israel:

Yes, and potentially a "Let's see how dedicated the US really is to Israel" if Israel gets into trouble. I wasn't alive for it, but the 6 day war outcome is impressive.

Impressive is kind of dismissive. It was frigging insane, unbelievable, and miraculous. As was their survival and victory in the Arab- Israeli war in 1948.

[George K]

Landlines...

[George K]

Ground invasion delayed...

[Copper]

Fake

Publicly say No Go, just before you give the Go

[Horace]

Like the blood draw person counting to three and sticking you on two.