The biggest tragedy in classical music history.
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Schubert dying at 31.
Talk me out of it. You automatically lose if the word "Mozart" appears in your answer.
@jon-nyc said in The biggest tragedy in classical music history.:
Schubert dying at 31.
Talk me out of it.
Challenge rejected.
You automatically lose if the word "Mozart" appears in your answer.
Robert Greenberg, talking about the masters of the early 19th century commented on this, saying, basically the same thing.
And, despite your threat...
He also says that Mendelssohn's tragic early death (age 38) makes him unappreciated and that, had he lived longer, he would have been considered a greater master than Joannes Chrysostomus Wolfgangus Theophilus "M."
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Mendelssohn v Chopin?
Beautiful melodies, winner is Chopin - probably.
A more well-rounded composer, winner is Felix - probably.But returning to your thesis, Schubert would probably beat either of them.
I've commented before about Time Magazine talking about the Beatle's arrival in New York. Basically, they said, "These boys from Liverpool can write a melody that would make Schubert proud."
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I think Mendelssohn clears that very low bar even with his young death.
A serious question, how many beautiful melodies did humanity lose to Chopin's untimely death? We'll never know.
@jon-nyc said in The biggest tragedy in classical music history.:
... how many beautiful melodies did humanity lose to
Chopin's untimely deaththe lack of participation from women, ethnic minorities, and members of the LGBTQ+ community? We'll never know. -
@jon-nyc said in The biggest tragedy in classical music history.:
... how many beautiful melodies did humanity lose to
Chopin's untimely deaththe lack of participation from women, ethnic minorities, and members of the LGBTQ+ community? We'll never know. -
Honestly I think the biggest tragedy was Beethoven being deaf. Think his music is good? Imagine if he could’ve heard his own shit.
@89th said in The biggest tragedy in classical music history.:
Honestly I think the biggest tragedy was Beethoven being deaf. Think his music is good? Imagine if he could’ve heard his own shit.
I suspect his death at the youngish age of 57 was a bigger loss than his deafness. He clearly had the music in his head and could transcribe it to paper.
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@Ax, true, but you're venturing into Rumsfeld's unknown unknowns, whereas I'm talking about known unknowns.
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Well, there were women composers. Follow Leah Broad on twitter, she’ll introduce you to them. Maybe there would have been more had society been different. Hence my post about unknown unknowns.
How many non-Europeans would have been writing European art music (which is, after all, what we mean when we say 'classical music') in 1800, even if they were 'allowed' to? Probably none, within a reasonable rounding error.
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Schubert dying at 31.
Talk me out of it. You automatically lose if the word "Mozart" appears in your answer.
@jon-nyc said in The biggest tragedy in classical music history.:
Schubert dying at 31.
Talk me out of it. You automatically lose if the word "Mozart" appears in your answer.
Mozart died too late, if anything.
Schubert has the best melodies. I'm working on the Schubert/Liszt "Ständchen" at the moment. Such a great melody!
That said, Schubert also wrote a lot of boring music. I don't care much for his early piano sonatas before D840, for instance.
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Greatest tragedy? Bartok living long enough to publish Mikrocosmos.
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Classic FM hiring David Mellor as a presenter.
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The biggest tragedy in classical music history is the lack of representation from women, ethnic minorities, and the LGBTQ+ community.
[/woke]@Axtremus said in The biggest tragedy in classical music history.:
[woke]
The biggest tragedy in classical music history is the lack of representation from women, ethnic minorities, and the LGBTQ+ community.
[/woke]Funny, I had assumed that most were in the community.
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Not the biggest tragedy in classical music by any means, but it is sad that Henry Purcell died at 36. He gave the world a rich inheritance as a composer and surely had much more to give. Certainly one of my favourite composers - even some of his vocal compositions.
