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San Francisco decline continues

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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    #11

    Problems...

    It takes money to run a city. No commercial or residential tenants, no cash flow and property owners go belly up. No property owners, no property taxes. And the property becomes harder to lease or rent under the circumstances that currently exist.

    No money, no city.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • JollyJ Jolly

      Problems...

      It takes money to run a city. No commercial or residential tenants, no cash flow and property owners go belly up. No property owners, no property taxes. And the property becomes harder to lease or rent under the circumstances that currently exist.

      No money, no city.

      George KG Offline
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      George K
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      #12

      @Jolly said in San Francisco decline continues:

      It takes money to run a city. No commercial or residential tenants, no cash flow and property owners go belly up

      Haven't two large hotels just walked away from their leases?

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • George KG George K

        @Jolly said in San Francisco decline continues:

        It takes money to run a city. No commercial or residential tenants, no cash flow and property owners go belly up

        Haven't two large hotels just walked away from their leases?

        JollyJ Offline
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        Jolly
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        #13

        @George-K said in San Francisco decline continues:

        @Jolly said in San Francisco decline continues:

        It takes money to run a city. No commercial or residential tenants, no cash flow and property owners go belly up

        Haven't two large hotels just walked away from their leases?

        Yep.

        https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/top-hotel-chain-abandons-san-francisco-over-citys-clouded-future/ar-AA1cfXjk

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • taiwan_girlT Offline
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          #14

          There were 563 overdose fatalities in the Golden City between Jan. 1 and Aug. 31, according to a recent report from the San Francisco chief medical examiner. This puts the city on track to hit 845 overdose fatalities in 2023, the San Francisco Chronicle reported, far surpassing the record 725 in 2020.

          https://www.foxnews.com/us/zombie-apocalypse-san-francisco-track-crush-overdose-death-record-addicts-die-streets

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          • LuFins DadL Offline
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            LuFins Dad
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            Makes you wonder if the city’s policies are actually responsible for making the situation worse, and are partially responsible for increasing the death toll.

            The Brad

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            • MikM Offline
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              China is responsible. And Mexico.

              "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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              • LuFins DadL Offline
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                LuFins Dad
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                Interesting development today. The Democrat mayor announced a plan to require the homeless to participate and drug programs and take drug tests to get benefits. The council is likely to oppose her.

                The Brad

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                • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                  Interesting development today. The Democrat mayor announced a plan to require the homeless to participate and drug programs and take drug tests to get benefits. The council is likely to oppose her.

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                  Horace
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                  #18

                  @LuFins-Dad said in San Francisco decline continues:

                  Interesting development today. The Democrat mayor announced a plan to require the homeless to participate and drug programs and take drug tests to get benefits. The council is likely to oppose her.

                  Too bad drug programs don’t work for people who don’t want help.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                  • MikM Offline
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                    That shoehorns nicely into Newson's bill to basically offer a choice between incarceration or medication to mentally ill homeless.

                    "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                      Target is removing stores from many cities, like San Fran, Portland, etc... at some point these "blue" cities will learn their crime (etc) policies are idiotic.

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                      • HoraceH Horace

                        @LuFins-Dad said in San Francisco decline continues:

                        Interesting development today. The Democrat mayor announced a plan to require the homeless to participate and drug programs and take drug tests to get benefits. The council is likely to oppose her.

                        Too bad drug programs don’t work for people who don’t want help.

                        taiwan_girlT Offline
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                        @Horace said in San Francisco decline continues:

                        @LuFins-Dad said in San Francisco decline continues:

                        Interesting development today. The Democrat mayor announced a plan to require the homeless to participate and drug programs and take drug tests to get benefits. The council is likely to oppose her.

                        Too bad drug programs don’t work for people who don’t want help.

                        That is definitely a big problem. There is a pretty high % (maybe 30% or more) who do not and will not be helped. Not sure what you do with these people.

                        HoraceH 1 Reply Last reply
                        • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                          @Horace said in San Francisco decline continues:

                          @LuFins-Dad said in San Francisco decline continues:

                          Interesting development today. The Democrat mayor announced a plan to require the homeless to participate and drug programs and take drug tests to get benefits. The council is likely to oppose her.

                          Too bad drug programs don’t work for people who don’t want help.

                          That is definitely a big problem. There is a pretty high % (maybe 30% or more) who do not and will not be helped. Not sure what you do with these people.

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                          Horace
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                          @taiwan_girl said in San Francisco decline continues:

                          @Horace said in San Francisco decline continues:

                          @LuFins-Dad said in San Francisco decline continues:

                          Interesting development today. The Democrat mayor announced a plan to require the homeless to participate and drug programs and take drug tests to get benefits. The council is likely to oppose her.

                          Too bad drug programs don’t work for people who don’t want help.

                          That is definitely a big problem. There is a pretty high % (maybe 30% or more) who do not and will not be helped. Not sure what you do with these people.

                          I think it’ll be closer to 100%.

                          Education is extremely important.

                          taiwan_girlT 1 Reply Last reply
                          • HoraceH Horace

                            @taiwan_girl said in San Francisco decline continues:

                            @Horace said in San Francisco decline continues:

                            @LuFins-Dad said in San Francisco decline continues:

                            Interesting development today. The Democrat mayor announced a plan to require the homeless to participate and drug programs and take drug tests to get benefits. The council is likely to oppose her.

                            Too bad drug programs don’t work for people who don’t want help.

                            That is definitely a big problem. There is a pretty high % (maybe 30% or more) who do not and will not be helped. Not sure what you do with these people.

                            I think it’ll be closer to 100%.

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                            taiwan_girl
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                            @Horace said in San Francisco decline continues:

                            @taiwan_girl said in San Francisco decline continues:

                            @Horace said in San Francisco decline continues:

                            @LuFins-Dad said in San Francisco decline continues:

                            Interesting development today. The Democrat mayor announced a plan to require the homeless to participate and drug programs and take drug tests to get benefits. The council is likely to oppose her.

                            Too bad drug programs don’t work for people who don’t want help.

                            That is definitely a big problem. There is a pretty high % (maybe 30% or more) who do not and will not be helped. Not sure what you do with these people.

                            I think it’ll be closer to 100%.

                            Hmm. I think that is too too high. There are a lot of people who certainly dont like what they have become because of drugs, but are unable to change just by themselves and need some outside help. I cant imagine that most of the guys or lady's living underneath some highway bridge, going through garbage dumpsters for food, are happy with the way their life is.

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                            • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                              @Horace said in San Francisco decline continues:

                              @taiwan_girl said in San Francisco decline continues:

                              @Horace said in San Francisco decline continues:

                              @LuFins-Dad said in San Francisco decline continues:

                              Interesting development today. The Democrat mayor announced a plan to require the homeless to participate and drug programs and take drug tests to get benefits. The council is likely to oppose her.

                              Too bad drug programs don’t work for people who don’t want help.

                              That is definitely a big problem. There is a pretty high % (maybe 30% or more) who do not and will not be helped. Not sure what you do with these people.

                              I think it’ll be closer to 100%.

                              Hmm. I think that is too too high. There are a lot of people who certainly dont like what they have become because of drugs, but are unable to change just by themselves and need some outside help. I cant imagine that most of the guys or lady's living underneath some highway bridge, going through garbage dumpsters for food, are happy with the way their life is.

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                              Aqua Letifer
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                              @taiwan_girl said in San Francisco decline continues:

                              @Horace said in San Francisco decline continues:

                              @taiwan_girl said in San Francisco decline continues:

                              @Horace said in San Francisco decline continues:

                              @LuFins-Dad said in San Francisco decline continues:

                              Interesting development today. The Democrat mayor announced a plan to require the homeless to participate and drug programs and take drug tests to get benefits. The council is likely to oppose her.

                              Too bad drug programs don’t work for people who don’t want help.

                              That is definitely a big problem. There is a pretty high % (maybe 30% or more) who do not and will not be helped. Not sure what you do with these people.

                              I think it’ll be closer to 100%.

                              Hmm. I think that is too too high. There are a lot of people who certainly dont like what they have become because of drugs, but are unable to change just by themselves and need some outside help. I cant imagine that most of the guys or lady's living underneath some highway bridge, going through garbage dumpsters for food, are happy with the way their life is.

                              Not liking it, able to change and willing to change are three very different things.

                              Please love yourself.

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                              • MikM Offline
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                                Mik
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                                Very different.

                                "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                                  @Mik @Aqua-Letifer Agree. Maybe I mis-interpreted @Horace comment. I got the impression from his statement that 100% of the people could not be helped. I think there is a majority who want help. A (large?) portion of those will probably relapse and may need a second helping.

                                  I don't have an addictive personality, so hard for me to understand why people do stuff that they know is super super bad (and maybe even deadly) for them.

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                                  • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                    @Mik @Aqua-Letifer Agree. Maybe I mis-interpreted @Horace comment. I got the impression from his statement that 100% of the people could not be helped. I think there is a majority who want help. A (large?) portion of those will probably relapse and may need a second helping.

                                    I don't have an addictive personality, so hard for me to understand why people do stuff that they know is super super bad (and maybe even deadly) for them.

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                                    Horace
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                                    #27

                                    @taiwan_girl said in San Francisco decline continues:

                                    @Mik @Aqua-Letifer Agree. Maybe I mis-interpreted @Horace comment. I got the impression from his statement that 100% of the people could not be helped. I think there is a majority who want help. A (large?) portion of those will probably relapse and may need a second helping.

                                    I don't have an addictive personality, so hard for me to understand why people do stuff that they know is super super bad (and maybe even deadly) for them.

                                    The self destructive impulse runs within all hearts. There must be a reason you post here.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                    • HoraceH Horace

                                      @taiwan_girl said in San Francisco decline continues:

                                      @Mik @Aqua-Letifer Agree. Maybe I mis-interpreted @Horace comment. I got the impression from his statement that 100% of the people could not be helped. I think there is a majority who want help. A (large?) portion of those will probably relapse and may need a second helping.

                                      I don't have an addictive personality, so hard for me to understand why people do stuff that they know is super super bad (and maybe even deadly) for them.

                                      The self destructive impulse runs within all hearts. There must be a reason you post here.

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                                      taiwan_girl
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                                      @Horace 😂 :woman-heart-man:

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