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  • MikM Offline
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    "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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      Anybody watch Newsom on Hannity?

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        I used to live a few blocks away from that mall. It was PACKED all the time.

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          You’d figure that when rent gets too high, people start leaving, vacancy goes up, and the landlord would lower the rent to attract tenants, and things will return to equilibrium again.

          Is this not happening? Why are landlords not lowering the rent if indeed too many people are leaving?

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          • MikM Offline
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            They’re not necessarily leaving the area, but they’re not going downtown.

            "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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            • AxtremusA Axtremus

              You’d figure that when rent gets too high, people start leaving, vacancy goes up, and the landlord would lower the rent to attract tenants, and things will return to equilibrium again.

              Is this not happening? Why are landlords not lowering the rent if indeed too many people are leaving?

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              @Axtremus said in San Francisco decline continues:

              You’d figure that when rent gets too high, people start leaving, vacancy goes up, and the landlord would lower the rent to attract tenants, and things will return to equilibrium again.

              Is this not happening? Why are landlords not lowering the rent if indeed too many people are leaving?

              Residential rents are going down. I checked my old apartment and the rent was 20% cheaper than what I was paying 8 years ago.

              For retail - I’m guessing they need a certain amount of foot traffic to cover their fixed costs (of which rent is just one).

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                San Francisco Office Vacancy Rate Reaches New Record High

                A ghost town.

                That's how many have begun referring to San Francisco's downtown and Financial districts as the number of vacant retail spaces and office buildings seem to climb daily.

                Normally, as supply goes up, rental prices go down. But so far that is not happening in the city.

                https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/san-francisco-office-vacancy/3204043/

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                  Problems...

                  It takes money to run a city. No commercial or residential tenants, no cash flow and property owners go belly up. No property owners, no property taxes. And the property becomes harder to lease or rent under the circumstances that currently exist.

                  No money, no city.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • JollyJ Jolly

                    Problems...

                    It takes money to run a city. No commercial or residential tenants, no cash flow and property owners go belly up. No property owners, no property taxes. And the property becomes harder to lease or rent under the circumstances that currently exist.

                    No money, no city.

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                    @Jolly said in San Francisco decline continues:

                    It takes money to run a city. No commercial or residential tenants, no cash flow and property owners go belly up

                    Haven't two large hotels just walked away from their leases?

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • George KG George K

                      @Jolly said in San Francisco decline continues:

                      It takes money to run a city. No commercial or residential tenants, no cash flow and property owners go belly up

                      Haven't two large hotels just walked away from their leases?

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                      @George-K said in San Francisco decline continues:

                      @Jolly said in San Francisco decline continues:

                      It takes money to run a city. No commercial or residential tenants, no cash flow and property owners go belly up

                      Haven't two large hotels just walked away from their leases?

                      Yep.

                      https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/top-hotel-chain-abandons-san-francisco-over-citys-clouded-future/ar-AA1cfXjk

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        There were 563 overdose fatalities in the Golden City between Jan. 1 and Aug. 31, according to a recent report from the San Francisco chief medical examiner. This puts the city on track to hit 845 overdose fatalities in 2023, the San Francisco Chronicle reported, far surpassing the record 725 in 2020.

                        https://www.foxnews.com/us/zombie-apocalypse-san-francisco-track-crush-overdose-death-record-addicts-die-streets

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                          Makes you wonder if the city’s policies are actually responsible for making the situation worse, and are partially responsible for increasing the death toll.

                          The Brad

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                          • MikM Offline
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                            China is responsible. And Mexico.

                            "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                              Interesting development today. The Democrat mayor announced a plan to require the homeless to participate and drug programs and take drug tests to get benefits. The council is likely to oppose her.

                              The Brad

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                                Interesting development today. The Democrat mayor announced a plan to require the homeless to participate and drug programs and take drug tests to get benefits. The council is likely to oppose her.

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                                @LuFins-Dad said in San Francisco decline continues:

                                Interesting development today. The Democrat mayor announced a plan to require the homeless to participate and drug programs and take drug tests to get benefits. The council is likely to oppose her.

                                Too bad drug programs don’t work for people who don’t want help.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                  That shoehorns nicely into Newson's bill to basically offer a choice between incarceration or medication to mentally ill homeless.

                                  "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                                    Target is removing stores from many cities, like San Fran, Portland, etc... at some point these "blue" cities will learn their crime (etc) policies are idiotic.

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                                      @LuFins-Dad said in San Francisco decline continues:

                                      Interesting development today. The Democrat mayor announced a plan to require the homeless to participate and drug programs and take drug tests to get benefits. The council is likely to oppose her.

                                      Too bad drug programs don’t work for people who don’t want help.

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                                      @Horace said in San Francisco decline continues:

                                      @LuFins-Dad said in San Francisco decline continues:

                                      Interesting development today. The Democrat mayor announced a plan to require the homeless to participate and drug programs and take drug tests to get benefits. The council is likely to oppose her.

                                      Too bad drug programs don’t work for people who don’t want help.

                                      That is definitely a big problem. There is a pretty high % (maybe 30% or more) who do not and will not be helped. Not sure what you do with these people.

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                                      • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                        @Horace said in San Francisco decline continues:

                                        @LuFins-Dad said in San Francisco decline continues:

                                        Interesting development today. The Democrat mayor announced a plan to require the homeless to participate and drug programs and take drug tests to get benefits. The council is likely to oppose her.

                                        Too bad drug programs don’t work for people who don’t want help.

                                        That is definitely a big problem. There is a pretty high % (maybe 30% or more) who do not and will not be helped. Not sure what you do with these people.

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                                        Horace
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                                        @taiwan_girl said in San Francisco decline continues:

                                        @Horace said in San Francisco decline continues:

                                        @LuFins-Dad said in San Francisco decline continues:

                                        Interesting development today. The Democrat mayor announced a plan to require the homeless to participate and drug programs and take drug tests to get benefits. The council is likely to oppose her.

                                        Too bad drug programs don’t work for people who don’t want help.

                                        That is definitely a big problem. There is a pretty high % (maybe 30% or more) who do not and will not be helped. Not sure what you do with these people.

                                        I think it’ll be closer to 100%.

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                        • HoraceH Horace

                                          @taiwan_girl said in San Francisco decline continues:

                                          @Horace said in San Francisco decline continues:

                                          @LuFins-Dad said in San Francisco decline continues:

                                          Interesting development today. The Democrat mayor announced a plan to require the homeless to participate and drug programs and take drug tests to get benefits. The council is likely to oppose her.

                                          Too bad drug programs don’t work for people who don’t want help.

                                          That is definitely a big problem. There is a pretty high % (maybe 30% or more) who do not and will not be helped. Not sure what you do with these people.

                                          I think it’ll be closer to 100%.

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                                          @Horace said in San Francisco decline continues:

                                          @taiwan_girl said in San Francisco decline continues:

                                          @Horace said in San Francisco decline continues:

                                          @LuFins-Dad said in San Francisco decline continues:

                                          Interesting development today. The Democrat mayor announced a plan to require the homeless to participate and drug programs and take drug tests to get benefits. The council is likely to oppose her.

                                          Too bad drug programs don’t work for people who don’t want help.

                                          That is definitely a big problem. There is a pretty high % (maybe 30% or more) who do not and will not be helped. Not sure what you do with these people.

                                          I think it’ll be closer to 100%.

                                          Hmm. I think that is too too high. There are a lot of people who certainly dont like what they have become because of drugs, but are unable to change just by themselves and need some outside help. I cant imagine that most of the guys or lady's living underneath some highway bridge, going through garbage dumpsters for food, are happy with the way their life is.

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