Trespassers can't hold office
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wrote on 7 Sept 2023, 01:07 last edited by
Washington-based ethics watchdog filed a lawsuit on Wednesday to try to block Donald Trump from appearing on the ballot in Colorado next year if he wins the Republican presidential nomination, arguing that his actions on Jan 6, 2021, disqualify him from office.
The untested legal strategy, which relies on a reading of the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution, faces long odds, according to legal experts.
The lawsuit cites Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, which bars any person from holding federal or state office who took an “oath... to support the Constitution of the United States” and then “engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same,” according to the statement.
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Washington-based ethics watchdog filed a lawsuit on Wednesday to try to block Donald Trump from appearing on the ballot in Colorado next year if he wins the Republican presidential nomination, arguing that his actions on Jan 6, 2021, disqualify him from office.
The untested legal strategy, which relies on a reading of the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution, faces long odds, according to legal experts.
The lawsuit cites Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, which bars any person from holding federal or state office who took an “oath... to support the Constitution of the United States” and then “engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same,” according to the statement.
wrote on 7 Sept 2023, 01:22 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in Trespassers can't hold office:
long odds
No kidding. What crime has Trump been convicted of?
In fact, none of the persons indicted in Georgia have been even accused of insurrection or rebellion.
Wishful thinking.
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wrote on 7 Sept 2023, 01:32 last edited by George K 9 Jul 2023, 01:32
By the way, wasn't the
show trial2nd impeachment all about Jan 6th?You know, the impeachment in which Trump was not convicted?
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wrote on 7 Sept 2023, 12:24 last edited by
@Jolly said in Trespassers can't hold office:
And...this case is not about the defendant. It's about Trump.
As I said.
There is no depth power hungry Demonrats will not sink to, including shredding the Constitution, to keep Trump from running for office.
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wrote on 7 Sept 2023, 12:33 last edited by George K 9 Jul 2023, 12:35
Followup on Griffin
Griffin appealed the decision to the New Mexico Supreme Court on Sept. 20; the case was dismissed on Tuesday afternoon on procedural grounds. The Supreme Court ruled that Griffin failed to follow proper appeals procedures.
“This is an affirmation that Section 3 of the 14th Amendment can and should be enforced against all the January 6th insurrectionists who took an oath to defend the Constitution, whether they are current or former officeholders,” CREW senior vice president Donald Sherman said in a statement, “Today is an important day for our democracy.”
Griffin had failed to file a statement of issues – a document that outlines the main issue being debated – within the proper timeframe.
He should have had a better lawyer - one that knew proper appeals procedures.
CREW apparently feels that dismissing this case for procedural errors is democratic.
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wrote on 7 Sept 2023, 12:41 last edited by
Wonder if he has an appeal in federal court?
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wrote on 7 Sept 2023, 12:44 last edited by
Here's my question. Does a person need to be "charged, tried, convicted" for something to be used as basis for ruling? For example, there's plenty of evidence (note all the videos referenced in the filing) he organized groups and participated in the event.
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wrote on 7 Sept 2023, 12:45 last edited by
I guess I found my own answer. This was addressed on Pages 42-43.
tl;dr is this is a civil, not criminal, trial and Section Three of the 14th amendment doesn't require criminal convictions as a prerequisite for election eligibility.
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wrote on 7 Sept 2023, 12:46 last edited by
I did chuckle at this paragraph near the opening:
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Here's my question. Does a person need to be "charged, tried, convicted" for something to be used as basis for ruling? For example, there's plenty of evidence (note all the videos referenced in the filing) he organized groups and participated in the event.
wrote on 7 Sept 2023, 12:46 last edited by@89th said in Trespassers can't hold office:
Here's my question. Does a person need to be "charged, tried, convicted" for something to be used as basis for ruling? For example, there's plenty of evidence (note all the videos referenced in the filing) he organized groups and participated in the event.
I think you're guilty of insurrection.
Good. Now you don't have to worry about ever running for elected office.
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wrote on 7 Sept 2023, 13:05 last edited by
I mean, if you were a judge and saw a video of me doing it, then I guess you're right.
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wrote on 7 Sept 2023, 13:07 last edited by
You can't do that in my version of the United States. You cannot take away a person's rights without due process.
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wrote on 7 Sept 2023, 13:57 last edited by
It seems this is a civil matter so due process is being followed, no?
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wrote on 7 Sept 2023, 14:22 last edited by
@89th said in Trespassers can't hold office:
It seems this is a civil matter so due process is being followed, no?
If this is a civil and not a criminal matter, why is it being adjudicated in the context of federal elections.
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wrote on 7 Sept 2023, 15:13 last edited by jon-nyc 9 Jul 2023, 15:14
This is as ridiculous a notion as saying the VP can choose to reject electors from certain states.
It’s quite a Trumpian move. Like a many such moves, it would be disastrous if were allowed to proceed.
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