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  • CopperC Copper

    @Horace said in Informal Poll…:

    If I thought they could win I’d go manchin. I wouldn’t intentionally vote for a lost cause though.

    With that kind of thinking, nobody would have voted for Mr. Trump in 2016.

    Manchin.

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    #7

    @Copper said in Informal Poll…:

    @Horace said in Informal Poll…:

    If I thought they could win I’d go manchin. I wouldn’t intentionally vote for a lost cause though.

    With that kind of thinking, nobody would have voted for Mr. Trump in 2016.

    Manchin.

    No, he clearly had a shot on election day.

    Education is extremely important.

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      LuFins Dad
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      #8

      I’m more curious to hear from some of the left leaning folk. Would @jon-nyc go with a Manchin?

      The Brad

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        Anybody who considers Trump an existential risk, would game their vote to maximize the chance of beating Trump. At that point it just becomes finger to the wind stuff about Trump's opponents, and whichever of them stands the best chance of winning.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • George KG George K

          @Horace said in Informal Poll…:

          If I thought they could win I’d go manchin. I wouldn’t intentionally vote for a lost cause though.

          My thoughts as well.

          Manchin seems, for the most part, to be a reasonable guy. But I don't see his role in 2024 as anything but that of Ross Perot spoiler. The question is who will he spoil?

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          Jolly
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          #10

          @George-K said in Informal Poll…:

          @Horace said in Informal Poll…:

          If I thought they could win I’d go manchin. I wouldn’t intentionally vote for a lost cause though.

          My thoughts as well.

          Manchin seems, for the most part, to be a reasonable guy. But I don't see his role in 2024 as anything but that of Ross Perot spoiler. The question is who will he spoil?

          Biden.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • George KG George K

            @Horace said in Informal Poll…:

            If I thought they could win I’d go manchin. I wouldn’t intentionally vote for a lost cause though.

            My thoughts as well.

            Manchin seems, for the most part, to be a reasonable guy. But I don't see his role in 2024 as anything but that of Ross Perot spoiler. The question is who will he spoil?

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            #11

            @George-K said in Informal Poll…:

            @Horace said in Informal Poll…:

            If I thought they could win I’d go manchin. I wouldn’t intentionally vote for a lost cause though.

            My thoughts as well.

            Manchin seems, for the most part, to be a reasonable guy. But I don't see his role in 2024 as anything but that of Ross Perot spoiler. The question is who will he spoil?

            In 92 we had two main party candidates who were well qualified. It’s not looking like that for 24.

            "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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              Of the 3 choices, Manchin. The only one who hasn’t lost his mind.

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              • MikM Mik

                @George-K said in Informal Poll…:

                @Horace said in Informal Poll…:

                If I thought they could win I’d go manchin. I wouldn’t intentionally vote for a lost cause though.

                My thoughts as well.

                Manchin seems, for the most part, to be a reasonable guy. But I don't see his role in 2024 as anything but that of Ross Perot spoiler. The question is who will he spoil?

                In 92 we had two main party candidates who were well qualified. It’s not looking like that for 24.

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                LuFins Dad
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                #13

                @Mik said in Informal Poll…:

                @George-K said in Informal Poll…:

                @Horace said in Informal Poll…:

                If I thought they could win I’d go manchin. I wouldn’t intentionally vote for a lost cause though.

                My thoughts as well.

                Manchin seems, for the most part, to be a reasonable guy. But I don't see his role in 2024 as anything but that of Ross Perot spoiler. The question is who will he spoil?

                In 92 we had two main party candidates who were well qualified. It’s not looking like that for 24.

                Hell, in 96 Perot was the nuts one. Now he would be the sane one… Do you hear what I’m telling yiu?

                The Brad

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                  Follow up question for @Horace @George-K

                  At what polling percentage do you take a shot on Manchin? If he’s polling at 20%? 30%?

                  The Brad

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                  • MikM Offline
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                    Perot ran in 92.

                    "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                    • MikM Mik

                      Perot ran in 92.

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                      LuFins Dad
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                      @Mik said in Informal Poll…:

                      Perot ran in 92.

                      And 96. But he was a little off by then.

                      The Brad

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                        LuFins Dad
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                        #17

                        Let’s bring this back… Anybody have a different opinion now? Also curious to hear from @jon-nyc @kluurs @Aqua-Letifer @bachophile

                        The Brad

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                        • 89th8 89th

                          Of the 3 choices, Manchin. The only one who hasn’t lost his mind.

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                          Aqua Letifer
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                          @89th said in Informal Poll…:

                          Of the 3 choices, Manchin. The only one who hasn’t lost his mind.

                          Same. But I also don't give a shit.

                          1. The biggest fallout from the November election isn't going to be any election result, but how we decide to react. We could have Portland on steroids in every major city if we wanted to. Or we could suck it the fuck up and react maturely. I'm not holding my breath.
                          2. It's my silly opinion that we've reached late-stage Boomer-era progress. Because I think Ted's right about the following, I find political discourse, from Manchin or otherwise, largely irrelevant: https://www.honest-broker.com/p/i-ask-seven-heretical-questions-about

                          Please love yourself.

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                          • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                            @89th said in Informal Poll…:

                            Of the 3 choices, Manchin. The only one who hasn’t lost his mind.

                            Same. But I also don't give a shit.

                            1. The biggest fallout from the November election isn't going to be any election result, but how we decide to react. We could have Portland on steroids in every major city if we wanted to. Or we could suck it the fuck up and react maturely. I'm not holding my breath.
                            2. It's my silly opinion that we've reached late-stage Boomer-era progress. Because I think Ted's right about the following, I find political discourse, from Manchin or otherwise, largely irrelevant: https://www.honest-broker.com/p/i-ask-seven-heretical-questions-about
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                            Horace
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #19

                            @Aqua-Letifer said in Informal Poll…:

                            The biggest fallout from the November election isn't going to be any election result, but how we decide to react. We could have Portland on steroids in every major city if we wanted to. Or we could suck it the fuck up and react maturely. I'm not holding my breath.

                            This is a legit concern if Trump wins (it will be chaos, because the adults in the room at the levers of institutional power will collectively throw hysterical temper tantrums, and nobody around them will the adult to their child). But I don't see any issues if Biden wins again, beyond some local and easily put down unrest. Everybody will get back to normal life within a few days.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                              Copper
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                              #20

                              I think the People of Whatever will react.

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                              • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                @89th said in Informal Poll…:

                                Of the 3 choices, Manchin. The only one who hasn’t lost his mind.

                                Same. But I also don't give a shit.

                                1. The biggest fallout from the November election isn't going to be any election result, but how we decide to react. We could have Portland on steroids in every major city if we wanted to. Or we could suck it the fuck up and react maturely. I'm not holding my breath.
                                2. It's my silly opinion that we've reached late-stage Boomer-era progress. Because I think Ted's right about the following, I find political discourse, from Manchin or otherwise, largely irrelevant: https://www.honest-broker.com/p/i-ask-seven-heretical-questions-about
                                JollyJ Offline
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                                Jolly
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #21

                                @Aqua-Letifer said in Informal Poll…:

                                @89th said in Informal Poll…:

                                Of the 3 choices, Manchin. The only one who hasn’t lost his mind.

                                Same. But I also don't give a shit.

                                1. The biggest fallout from the November election isn't going to be any election result, but how we decide to react. We could have Portland on steroids in every major city if we wanted to. Or we could suck it the fuck up and react maturely. I'm not holding my breath.
                                2. It's my silly opinion that we've reached late-stage Boomer-era progress. Because I think Ted's right about the following, I find political discourse, from Manchin or otherwise, largely irrelevant: https://www.honest-broker.com/p/i-ask-seven-heretical-questions-about

                                Good article. Comments are good, too.

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on last edited by Jolly
                                  #22

                                  Human nature does not change.

                                  For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul? - Matthew 16:26 NKJV

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • JollyJ Jolly

                                    @Aqua-Letifer said in Informal Poll…:

                                    @89th said in Informal Poll…:

                                    Of the 3 choices, Manchin. The only one who hasn’t lost his mind.

                                    Same. But I also don't give a shit.

                                    1. The biggest fallout from the November election isn't going to be any election result, but how we decide to react. We could have Portland on steroids in every major city if we wanted to. Or we could suck it the fuck up and react maturely. I'm not holding my breath.
                                    2. It's my silly opinion that we've reached late-stage Boomer-era progress. Because I think Ted's right about the following, I find political discourse, from Manchin or otherwise, largely irrelevant: https://www.honest-broker.com/p/i-ask-seven-heretical-questions-about

                                    Good article. Comments are good, too.

                                    AxtremusA Away
                                    AxtremusA Away
                                    Axtremus
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                                    #23

                                    @Jolly said in Informal Poll…:

                                    @Aqua-Letifer said in Informal Poll…:

                                    https://www.honest-broker.com/p/i-ask-seven-heretical-questions-about

                                    Good article. Comments are good, too.

                                    No, too wordy. A good article would succinctly list all seven questions right at the start.

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                                      Jolly
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                                      Thou sayest.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                        @Jolly said in Informal Poll…:

                                        @Aqua-Letifer said in Informal Poll…:

                                        https://www.honest-broker.com/p/i-ask-seven-heretical-questions-about

                                        Good article. Comments are good, too.

                                        No, too wordy. A good article would succinctly list all seven questions right at the start.

                                        Aqua LetiferA Offline
                                        Aqua LetiferA Offline
                                        Aqua Letifer
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                                        @Axtremus said in Informal Poll…:

                                        @Jolly said in Informal Poll…:

                                        @Aqua-Letifer said in Informal Poll…:

                                        https://www.honest-broker.com/p/i-ask-seven-heretical-questions-about

                                        Good article. Comments are good, too.

                                        No, too wordy. A good article would succinctly list all seven questions right at the start.

                                        Stick to your YouTube videos.

                                        Please love yourself.

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                                        • HoraceH Horace

                                          @Aqua-Letifer said in Informal Poll…:

                                          The biggest fallout from the November election isn't going to be any election result, but how we decide to react. We could have Portland on steroids in every major city if we wanted to. Or we could suck it the fuck up and react maturely. I'm not holding my breath.

                                          This is a legit concern if Trump wins (it will be chaos, because the adults in the room at the levers of institutional power will collectively throw hysterical temper tantrums, and nobody around them will the adult to their child). But I don't see any issues if Biden wins again, beyond some local and easily put down unrest. Everybody will get back to normal life within a few days.

                                          Aqua LetiferA Offline
                                          Aqua LetiferA Offline
                                          Aqua Letifer
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #26

                                          @Horace said in Informal Poll…:

                                          I don't see any issues if Biden wins again, beyond some local and easily put down unrest. Everybody will get back to normal life within a few days.

                                          The last Biden victory led to our very electoral process being put on hold due to our Capitol being assaulted by dumbshits. I know we disagree about the nature and severity of that, which, okay, but for me the point is that using feels to justify circumvention of process is becoming more commonplace and more expected. Which is bad news for everyone.

                                          Please love yourself.

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