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Vivek on the "Tyranny of the Minority"

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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • HoraceH Offline
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      Horace
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      Good stuff, but boilerplate intelligent conservative talking points. He can think on his feet too.

      Education is extremely important.

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        It’s very good, she was so civil - nay, deferential - you kind of wonder if she was a plant.

        But his framing is excellent. A little rhetorical ju-jitsu, putting it in an oppressor-oppressed framework.

        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
        -Cormac McCarthy

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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          It’s very good, she was so civil - nay, deferential - you kind of wonder if she was a plant.

          But his framing is excellent. A little rhetorical ju-jitsu, putting it in an oppressor-oppressed framework.

          George KG Offline
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          George K
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          @jon-nyc said in Vivek on the "Tyranny of the Minority":

          you kind of wonder if she was a plant.

          Half empty tonight, eh?

          But...I had a similar thought, in a way. I would have loved to hear a response from her.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • 89th8 Offline
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            89th
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            Really well spoken, structured, and hard to argue with. He might do quite well in the debates if he can get enough mic time.

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              His issue in the general will be the Trump alignment, and the radical stuff about dismantling fbi and education.

              He says that 30% of the country goes insane about Trump, but he doesn’t have that effect. But a media blitz to Trumpify him is inevitable and I wonder how the TDS contingent is going to differentiate. He’s even said he will use Trump as his advisor. Which I doubt would happen in practice. But he’s leaning into the Trump angle for some reason. I guess just to try to win the primary. I trust him when he says he wouldn’t take a VP position.

              Education is extremely important.

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                His issue in the general will be the Trump alignment, and the radical stuff about dismantling fbi and education.

                He says that 30% of the country goes insane about Trump, but he doesn’t have that effect. But a media blitz to Trumpify him is inevitable and I wonder how the TDS contingent is going to differentiate. He’s even said he will use Trump as his advisor. Which I doubt would happen in practice. But he’s leaning into the Trump angle for some reason. I guess just to try to win the primary. I trust him when he says he wouldn’t take a VP position.

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                @Horace said in Vivek on the "Tyranny of the Minority":

                But a media blitz to Trumpify him is inevitable

                Of course. As will any GOP frontrunner for the next decade or so.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  Here's a good one stop shop for Ramaswamy and his platform:

                  Link to video

                  Education is extremely important.

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                  • JollyJ Jolly

                    @Horace said in Vivek on the "Tyranny of the Minority":

                    But a media blitz to Trumpify him is inevitable

                    Of course. As will any GOP frontrunner for the next decade or so.

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                    @Jolly said in Vivek on the "Tyranny of the Minority":

                    @Horace said in Vivek on the "Tyranny of the Minority":

                    But a media blitz to Trumpify him is inevitable

                    Of course. As will any GOP frontrunner for the next decade or so.

                    I don't think smart people can be Trumpified.

                    Trump always said provocative, dumb shit that would disgust his opponents and then be explained as 4D chess by the Trump whisperers.

                    That won't happen with Vivek.

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                      Sums up what I think.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        @Jolly said in Vivek on the "Tyranny of the Minority":

                        @Horace said in Vivek on the "Tyranny of the Minority":

                        But a media blitz to Trumpify him is inevitable

                        Of course. As will any GOP frontrunner for the next decade or so.

                        I don't think smart people can be Trumpified.

                        Trump always said provocative, dumb shit that would disgust his opponents and then be explained as 4D chess by the Trump whisperers.

                        That won't happen with Vivek.

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                        @xenon said in Vivek on the "Tyranny of the Minority":

                        @Jolly said in Vivek on the "Tyranny of the Minority":

                        @Horace said in Vivek on the "Tyranny of the Minority":

                        But a media blitz to Trumpify him is inevitable

                        Of course. As will any GOP frontrunner for the next decade or so.

                        I don't think smart people can be Trumpified.

                        Trump always said provocative, dumb shit that would disgust his opponents and then be explained as 4D chess by the Trump whisperers.

                        That won't happen with Vivek.

                        He's already said how much he respects Trump, and he's said that Trump would be an advisor. There's no talking his way out of some degree of Trumpification. He's talked his way into it.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                          Do you think he means it, or just considers it table stakes for the GOP primary?

                          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                          -Cormac McCarthy

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                            Vivek is running for VP. And let’s face it, if Trump wins the election and loses in GA, that means the Presidency as the 25th will have to be invoked.

                            The Brad

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                              Of course he is. They all are except DeSantis, Christie, and Pence. At least of the major candidates.

                              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                              -Cormac McCarthy

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                                The interesting question is what happens when VP Ramaswamy invokes the 25th because Trump can not actually run the office of President in jail.

                                Of course, there’s also the question of what Kemp decides…

                                The Brad

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                                • HoraceH Offline
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                                  If Vivek accepts a VP position, he'll make himself a liar, as he's been clear that he would not accept, if offered.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                    Do you think he means it, or just considers it table stakes for the GOP primary?

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                                    @jon-nyc said in Vivek on the "Tyranny of the Minority":

                                    Do you think he means it, or just considers it table stakes for the GOP primary?

                                    I think he has some genuine respect for the job Trump did as president. The advisor stuff seems like empty talk.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                      If Vivek accepts a VP position, he'll make himself a liar, as he's been clear that he would not accept, if offered.

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                                      @Horace said in Vivek on the "Tyranny of the Minority":

                                      If Vivek accepts a VP position, he'll make himself a liar, as he's been clear that he would not accept, if offered.

                                      What if the VP is the presidency?

                                      The Brad

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                                      • HoraceH Horace

                                        If Vivek accepts a VP position, he'll make himself a liar, as he's been clear that he would not accept, if offered.

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                                        @Horace said in Vivek on the "Tyranny of the Minority":

                                        If Vivek accepts a VP position, he'll make himself a liar, as he's been clear that he would not accept, if offered.

                                        Maybe at 38 he's running for cabinet secretary and a 30 year future in the GOP.

                                        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                        -Cormac McCarthy

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                                          That’s a very real possibility. I don’t see the Trumpers moving position, but Trump can’t legitimately run the Presidency from a Georgia jail. And let’s face it, he’s going to jail. So unless Kemp issues a pardon, that only leaves the 25th.
                                          .

                                          The Brad

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